Sandy wrote:
> Dans le message de news:[email protected],
> The Wogster <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
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>>Sandy wrote:
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>>>Dans le message de news:[email protected],
>>>The Wogster <[email protected]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
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>>>>There are two kinds of bikes where fenders are an issue, race style
>>>>bicycles, because a racer who pays $500
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>>>Not real, come on !
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>>>>for a seat post that is 5g lighter then a $5 seat post
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>>>Same ...
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>>>>isn't going to "waste" a whole 200g on a
>>>>set of fenders.
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>>>Just relating to road riding, I think the vast majority (_yes_ a
>>>guess !) of folks who ride road bikes won't take them out in
>>>inclement weather. The bikes don't get much use, admittedly, but
>>>fenders don't make a difference here.
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>>There are essentially two kinds of drop bar bikes:
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> Well, there's the first wrong turn ...
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>>Racing bikes (be just like Lance), where everything is based on weight
>>reduction, and yeah, racing teams would likely get a custom built
>>seatpost, and pay $500 for it, if it reduced the weight even 5g to
>>give their racer as much advantage as possible. They certainly would
>>not "waste" 200g per wheel for fenders.
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> You may not have been paying much attention to racing in the last 4-5 years.
> There is a weight minimum, and pretty much anyone can be riding an illegal
> (sub-weight) bike in the PRO peleton, not to mention the many elite and
> not-so-elite racers. So there really is not any target of 5 grams, not 50
> grams, and depending on who is riding what, 500 or more grams. The weight
> battle is over, unless UCI changes the minima.
I never did pay much attention to racing, whatever the weight minimum,
they are not going to waste weight on fenders, or anything else that
isn't directly required to operate as a bicycle.
>>Road bikes, ever head out, on a nice sunny day, not a cloud in the
>>sky, nothing forecast except sun, and then get a torrential 2 minute
>>downpour, and end up with the "skunk stripe" as the only proof,
>>because it got sunny again afterwards? The real issue here, is that
>>frame designers leave the 2.5mm wheel clearence dictated from racing
>>bikes, which means no chance of stuffing a fender in there. If they
>>left say 5cm, and added the frame mountings, it wouldn't make any
>>real differance weight wise, and people could add their own fenders.
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> It's water and dirt, and it doesn't happen all that often. I must be among
> the privileged, having a washing machine. The way you write, it rains on
> your parade all the time. Aside from Seattle, I have not heard of too many
> other reliably rainy cities. But I don't know, so you can tell me where
> they are.
Doesn't need to be reliably rainy, to make fenders something that a bike
could use on a regular basis, you just need weather that can change
rapidly. I live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada and the weather here can
turn pretty quickly. 1:00 Sunny, 1:10 clouding over, 1:20 raining, 1:30
thunder and lightning, 1:40 back to rain, 1:50 back to cloud, 2:00 back
to sun. Unless your carrying a weatheradio, you have no clue that this
is going to happen, until you get caught in it.
Then you get a day like today, it snowed yesterday, much of that has
melted, but the streets are wet, nice riding weather though, clear, not
too cold. So far there hasn't really been an end of the 2005
season..... Anyone at Palgrave today, I was one of the guys who was on
an MTB on the trails.....
>>Then again, you might have so many people add after market fenders,
>>that a whole new style of road bike would be born, the fendered road
>>bike, and bike assemblers would start adding them as standard
>>equipment.
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> I have a Zefal fender on my winter bike. It jumps over the rear triangle
> and clips onto the seat tube. My delightful frame has exactly enough seat
> tube above the joint so that it goes there, and with the saddle, does a good
> job keeping me reasonably dry. On my good season bike, no fenders, and back
> to washing machine and showers for solutions.
Of course washing machines are fairly common, at least in Europe and
North America, however you just know that the time you get caught in the
rain, when fenders might have really helped, will be the day you don't
have a change of clothes handy....
>>A rear only option, would be to add a rack, the rack could have a
>>solid piece over the top, which would remove the skunk stripe and wet
>>behind, effectively making a rear fender, debating doing this with my
>>MTB......
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> Take a look at the Zefal - it may be the kind of answer you would accept.
> It clips on or off in seconds.
Which means a thief could unclip it as well, the issue is, that they
look dorky, a nice set of full fenders would look like they fit the
bike. Still thinking I might add the rack though, need somewhere to put
the camera gear.
W