BB Taper Compatibility - Campy vs. Stronglight ?



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Do vintage Campy & Stronglight BB's use the same angle or a compatible
angle on the BB axle? Are they different, but compatible, with a
slight chainline difference e.g. could I put a Stronglight crank on a
Campy BB or a Campy crank on a Stronglight without damaging the crank
tapers?
 
"Incitantur enim homines ad agnoscenda quae differuntur." - Caius
Caecilius Secundus

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:38:16 GMT, Bob <[email protected]> wrote:

>Do vintage Campy & Stronglight BB's use the same angle or a compatible
>angle on the BB axle? Are they different, but compatible, with a
>slight chainline difference e.g. could I put a Stronglight crank on a
>Campy BB or a Campy crank on a Stronglight without damaging the crank
>tapers?


Campagnolo spindles have consistently used ISO taper styles as have
some models of Stronglight. Other Stronglight models have used the JIS
taper dimension however, so you'll have to offer specifics about the
cranks and spindles in question for anyone to provide accurate
information about appropriate lengths and offsets.

As for compatibility, both ISO and JIS spindles have two degree
tapers, so crank damage from mixing crank and spindle from these two
styles is usually unlikely.
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On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:47:22 -0400, John Dacey
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Campagnolo spindles have consistently used ISO taper styles as have
>some models of Stronglight. Other Stronglight models have used the JIS
>taper dimension however, so you'll have to offer specifics about the
>cranks and spindles in question for anyone to provide accurate
>information about appropriate lengths and offsets.
>
>As for compatibility, both ISO and JIS spindles have two degree
>tapers, so crank damage from mixing crank and spindle from these two
>styles is usually unlikely.


To answer your question, this would be 70's & 80's style Stronglight
cranks (e.g. 93, 105, 99) vs. similar year Campy Record type. I think
that eliminates JIS (?)

But, what you've said above seems to indicate that the taper angle is
the same so it will be location in the chainline that is the key
issue?
 
John Dacey wrote:
> "Incitantur enim homines ad agnoscenda quae differuntur." - Caius
> Caecilius Secundus
>
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:38:16 GMT, Bob <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Do vintage Campy & Stronglight BB's use the same angle or a compatible
> >angle on the BB axle? Are they different, but compatible, with a
> >slight chainline difference e.g. could I put a Stronglight crank on a
> >Campy BB or a Campy crank on a Stronglight without damaging the crank
> >tapers?

>
> Campagnolo spindles have consistently used ISO taper styles as have
> some models of Stronglight. Other Stronglight models have used the JIS
> taper dimension however, so you'll have to offer specifics about the
> cranks and spindles in question for anyone to provide accurate
> information about appropriate lengths and offsets.
>
> As for compatibility, both ISO and JIS spindles have two degree
> tapers, so crank damage from mixing crank and spindle from these two
> styles is usually unlikely.


BUT altho 2 degree tapers, the actual dimension of the BB spindle
varies in millimeters, each being a different 'part' of the taper, with
ISO being smaller. If you use a JIS crank, for instance, it 'may'
bottom onto a ISO BB spindle and come loose when riding, ruining the
crank.

> -------------------------------
> John Dacey
> Business Cycles, Miami, Florida
> Since 1983
> Our catalog of track equipment: online since 1996
> 305-273-4440
> http://www.businesscycles.com
> -------------------------------
 
On 3 Jun 2006 06:06:09 -0700, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>BUT altho 2 degree tapers, the actual dimension of the BB spindle
>varies in millimeters, each being a different 'part' of the taper, with
>ISO being smaller. If you use a JIS crank, for instance, it 'may'
>bottom onto a ISO BB spindle and come loose when riding, ruining the
>crank.


OK... maybe I can set a standard and compare to figure out what my
axles are. Can any of the following be definitively labeled as to
being one standard or the other:

-Stronglight "93" from early 70's
-TA 344 from the 70's
-Shimano (non Dura Ace) from 80's
-Sugino from the 80's

Also, does the size of the shaft vary ? I'd have to check with a
caliper, but I seem to recall my TA axles being slightly smaller
diameter at the cup vs. the Stronglight axle.

Last question: Is Campy always ISO ?
 
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> On 3 Jun 2006 06:06:09 -0700, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>BUT altho 2 degree tapers, the actual dimension of the BB spindle
>>varies in millimeters, each being a different 'part' of the taper, with
>>ISO being smaller. If you use a JIS crank, for instance, it 'may'
>>bottom onto a ISO BB spindle and come loose when riding, ruining the
>>crank.

>
> OK... maybe I can set a standard and compare to figure out what my
> axles are. Can any of the following be definitively labeled as to
> being one standard or the other:
>
> -Stronglight "93" from early 70's
> -TA 344 from the 70's
> -Shimano (non Dura Ace) from 80's
> -Sugino from the 80's
>
> Also, does the size of the shaft vary ? I'd have to check with a
> caliper, but I seem to recall my TA axles being slightly smaller
> diameter at the cup vs. the Stronglight axle.
>
> Last question: Is Campy always ISO ?

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ISO 6695:1991





Cycles -- Pedal axle and crank assembly with square end fitting --
Assembly dimensions
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The standard seems to be quite new, and I have not found any
free download copy

All my old Stronglight and TA spindles are slightly thicker at
the end (start) of the taper than Campagnolo spindles of the same age.

Regards
Michael




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"Cadat caelum" - Pullus Parvus

On 3 Jun 2006 06:06:09 -0700, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>John Dacey wrote:


>> Campagnolo spindles have consistently used ISO taper styles as have
>> some models of Stronglight. Other Stronglight models have used the JIS
>> taper dimension however, so you'll have to offer specifics about the
>> cranks and spindles in question for anyone to provide accurate
>> information about appropriate lengths and offsets.
>>
>> As for compatibility, both ISO and JIS spindles have two degree
>> tapers, so crank damage from mixing crank and spindle from these two
>> styles is usually unlikely.


>BUT altho 2 degree tapers, the actual dimension of the BB spindle
>varies in millimeters, each being a different 'part' of the taper, with
>ISO being smaller. If you use a JIS crank, for instance, it 'may'
>bottom onto a ISO BB spindle and come loose when riding, ruining the
>crank.


A crank bolt that bottoms against the spindle end is easily recognized
by an experienced mechanic when the fastener is brought to its torque
spec. Your caveat creates needless anxiety over a situation that
happens only infrequently and is readily evident when it does.

As a guide, *any* time that cranks and bottom brackets from different
makers and/or models are paired, the resulting match should be
inspected closely for chainline and appropriate depth of insertion of
the spindle within the crank. Even among models that are nominally
"ISO" or "JIS", there may be small differences (tolerances) in how a
particular manufacturer conforms to the generic specification.
-------------------------------
John Dacey
Business Cycles, Miami, Florida
Since 1983
Our catalog of track equipment: online since 1996
305-273-4440
http://www.businesscycles.com
-------------------------------
 
John Dacey wrote:
> "Cadat caelum" - Pullus Parvus
>
> On 3 Jun 2006 06:06:09 -0700, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >John Dacey wrote:

>
> >> Campagnolo spindles have consistently used ISO taper styles as have
> >> some models of Stronglight. Other Stronglight models have used the JIS
> >> taper dimension however, so you'll have to offer specifics about the
> >> cranks and spindles in question for anyone to provide accurate
> >> information about appropriate lengths and offsets.
> >>
> >> As for compatibility, both ISO and JIS spindles have two degree
> >> tapers, so crank damage from mixing crank and spindle from these two
> >> styles is usually unlikely.

>
> >BUT altho 2 degree tapers, the actual dimension of the BB spindle
> >varies in millimeters, each being a different 'part' of the taper, with
> >ISO being smaller. If you use a JIS crank, for instance, it 'may'
> >bottom onto a ISO BB spindle and come loose when riding, ruining the
> >crank.

>
> A crank bolt that bottoms against the spindle end is easily recognized
> by an experienced mechanic when the fastener is brought to its torque
> spec.


Yep, hey Bob, are you an experienced bike mechanic with a torque
wrench??-didn't think so.

Your caveat creates needless anxiety over a situation that
> happens only infrequently and is readily evident when it does.
>
> As a guide, *any* time that cranks and bottom brackets from different
> makers and/or models are paired, the resulting match should be
> inspected closely for chainline and appropriate depth of insertion of
> the spindle within the crank. Even among models that are nominally
> "ISO" or "JIS", there may be small differences (tolerances) in how a
> particular manufacturer conforms to the generic specification.
> -------------------------------
> John Dacey
> Business Cycles, Miami, Florida
> Since 1983
> Our catalog of track equipment: online since 1996
> 305-273-4440
> http://www.businesscycles.com
> -------------------------------
 
On 4 Jun 2006 06:11:54 -0700, Br'er Chizzum wrote:


>John Dacey wrote:


>> A crank bolt that bottoms against the spindle end is easily recognized
>> by an experienced mechanic when the fastener is brought to its torque
>> spec.



>Yep, hey Bob, are you an experienced bike mechanic with a torque
>wrench??-didn't think so.




Neither Bob nor anyone else with mechanical aptitude will consistently
require a torque wrench to install a square taper crank. As for
experience, it appears the original poster has enough of it to know
about taper differences, chainline issues and vintage crank model
numbers. Additionally, his post gives the impression that he's
researching this issue to do the work himself.

That doesn't describe someone who wants for sufficient proficiency to
turn a crank bolt wrench.

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John Dacey
Business Cycles, Miami, Florida
Since 1983
Comprehensive catalogue of track equipment: online since 1996
http://www.businesscycles.com
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