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Nathaniel Porte
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Nathaniel Porter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> > > The Wasa5 is a notorious commuter rat-run for Luton-dwellers who work
in
> > St
> > > Albans.
>
> > Do you mean the A1081 (ex A6)?
>
> Oops, yes, the Wasa6 not the Wasa5. But the point remains: a substantial proportion of the traffic
> on the motorways at peak periods is commuter traffic joining for a couple of junctions, so yes it
> is a fair comparison.
>
Commuter traffic to London should take the train. Of course, there needs to be a decent train
service first.
> > > > I think you overrate the intelligence of many motorists if you think
> > > they'll
> > > > stray off the blue lines to avoid delays, unless they absolutely
have
> > to.
>
> > > Those who drive the same route every day are strongly motivated to do
> just
> > > that - hence urban "rat runs."
>
> > Again, I don't think this is a fair comparison. The reason people stick
to
> > motorways for long distance journeys is largely because they fear they
> will
> > get lost on other routes
>
> Long distance journeys are not a large proportion of journeys, though.
Yep, and I think transport policy should be getting short-distance traffic off of motorways (and
onto other forms of transport in many cases.
<snip>
> > Additionally, driving on a congested motorway is often still faster than driving on an
> > uncongested A/B road, as the standard of A/B roads
dictates
> > slower speeds, so there isn't much advantage to rat running.
>
> But on the less congested road you get to maintain the illusion of control on a relatively traffic
> free road, rather than maintaining a higher
average
> but constrained by congestion.
>
Again, this needs to be combatted. I am concerned that government tolling ideas propose that
motorways should have higher rates - this will push people onto more unsuitable roads :-(
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> "Nathaniel Porter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > > The Wasa5 is a notorious commuter rat-run for Luton-dwellers who work
in
> > St
> > > Albans.
>
> > Do you mean the A1081 (ex A6)?
>
> Oops, yes, the Wasa6 not the Wasa5. But the point remains: a substantial proportion of the traffic
> on the motorways at peak periods is commuter traffic joining for a couple of junctions, so yes it
> is a fair comparison.
>
Commuter traffic to London should take the train. Of course, there needs to be a decent train
service first.
> > > > I think you overrate the intelligence of many motorists if you think
> > > they'll
> > > > stray off the blue lines to avoid delays, unless they absolutely
have
> > to.
>
> > > Those who drive the same route every day are strongly motivated to do
> just
> > > that - hence urban "rat runs."
>
> > Again, I don't think this is a fair comparison. The reason people stick
to
> > motorways for long distance journeys is largely because they fear they
> will
> > get lost on other routes
>
> Long distance journeys are not a large proportion of journeys, though.
Yep, and I think transport policy should be getting short-distance traffic off of motorways (and
onto other forms of transport in many cases.
<snip>
> > Additionally, driving on a congested motorway is often still faster than driving on an
> > uncongested A/B road, as the standard of A/B roads
dictates
> > slower speeds, so there isn't much advantage to rat running.
>
> But on the less congested road you get to maintain the illusion of control on a relatively traffic
> free road, rather than maintaining a higher
average
> but constrained by congestion.
>
Again, this needs to be combatted. I am concerned that government tolling ideas propose that
motorways should have higher rates - this will push people onto more unsuitable roads :-(