<g> I like the clicking of my 508. The Paradigms are silent (well for all intents and purposes, they are silent) If you put a Paradigm to your ear in a very quiet room, you can hear it pump.
dave
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>We will evaluate the other meters on the market, that's >for sure. I was looking over the Cozmo the other day. My >doctor has NEVER prescribed it and it looks pretty >weird. Also, the boluses are given to fast for my taste. >What else is available in the US that infuses boluses at >no more than 2 units per minute? Anything??
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I bailed on MiniMed and, in fact, chose the Cozmo. My endo currently recommends those two as her preferred choices, although she will sign off on any pump you want. I've had it for a few months now and am quite happy.
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wow! 🙂
what will biggs think about this MM revolt?
snip the above (and i'm guessing that you will), but...
what made you decide against the Animas pump?
all ears, bill t1 since '57, ex MiniMed for 10 years
Prejudice mostly. I first encountered Animas at a booth at TCOYD when they were brand new. The rep behind the counter was blowing smoke like a diesel with no rings and dirty injectors. Pure [censored]. Year or so later I listened to a woman for an hour after a pumpers club meeting complain about how horrible she thought the programming was after switching from her MiniMed. I looked at it when I had a meeting with my DE to decide and it dropped off the list pretty quickly. I forget what specific items in the comparison chart turned me off. The DE had one of every pump and a nice chart she had made. The decision between the MiniMed and the Cozmo was very difficult, but I finally decided I'd take the chance rather than deal with the Medtronic/MiniMed customer service any more given the direction they were going. I do miss the clicking.
oh, I just remembered why I said the Cozmo looked "weird". It's the conical cap where the tubing comes out of the pump. It looks overly large in the picture on their website.
i bet it's the name
no "high tech" person could look themself in the mirror without having a Cosmo. 🙂
opps, Cozmo! 🙂)
bill
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what made you decide against the Animas pump?
all ears, bill t1 since '57, ex MiniMed for 10 years
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Prejudice mostly. I first encountered Animas at a booth at TCOYD when they were brand new. The rep behind the counter was blowing smoke like a diesel with no rings and dirty injectors. Pure [censored]. Year or so later I listened to a woman for an hour after a pumpers club meeting complain about how horrible she thought the programming was after switching from her MiniMed. I looked at it when I had a meeting with my DE to decide and it dropped off the list pretty quickly. I forget what specific items in the comparison chart turned me off. The DE had one of every pump and a nice chart she had made. The decision between the MiniMed and the Cozmo was very difficult, but I finally decided I'd take the chance rather than deal with the Medtronic/MiniMed customer service any more given the direction they were going. I do miss the clicking.
We will evaluate the other meters on the market, that's for sure. I was looking over the Cozmo the other day. My doctor has NEVER prescribed it and it looks pretty weird. Also, the boluses are given to fast for my taste. What else is available in the US that infuses boluses at no more than 2 units per minute? Anything??
Dave,
I don't know the answer to your question. I'm not where I need to be to do a study on this just yet. I'll probably not be shopping for another year or so.
As usual, Charly appears to have come through with some valuable info. 🙂
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thanks for the info Charly. Yes, 15 minute intervals would resolve my concern over fast infusion rates. The MiniMed pumps can extend boluses in 30 minute increments. How do you like the programming of the Cozmo? Is it straightforward?
The programming is straight forward. They do things differently from MiniMed, at least from the 507C, but it is mostly reasonable. I would like to change the order of a couple menus to better reflect my use patterns, but that was true of MiniMed as well. The only thing they don't have that I miss is a prime history, The remaining insulin function fulfills meets the need. I was just used to looking at the prime history to keep track of when I last changed the site. They have a site change alarm, but that's not exactly what I want. If you have any other questions, e-mail me and I'll respond when I return from sea.
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Thanks again, Charly. I wait to change my set when the pump is nearly out of insulin. The 508 alarms at 20 units to empty, and also again at 10 units to empty. Plus I just hit the lower left button once to see insulin remaining.
dave
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Bay Area Dave <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:
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thanks for the info Charly. Yes, 15 minute intervals would resolve my concern over fast infusion rates. The MiniMed pumps can extend boluses in 30 minute increments. How do you like the programming of the Cozmo? Is it straightforward?
The programming is straight forward. They do things differently from MiniMed, at least from the 507C, but it is mostly reasonable. I would like to change the order of a couple menus to better reflect my use patterns, but that was true of MiniMed as well. The only thing they don't have that I miss is a prime history, The remaining insulin function fulfills meets the need. I was just used to looking at the prime history to keep track of when I last changed the site. They have a site change alarm, but that's not exactly what I want. If you have any other questions, e-mail me and I'll respond when I return from sea.
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
I find my pump becomes inaccurate, as far as dosage, when it gets to about 10 units left.
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Thanks again, Charly. I wait to change my set when the pump is nearly out of insulin. The 508 alarms at 20 units to empty, and also again at 10 units to empty. Plus I just hit the lower left button once to see insulin remaining.
dave
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Bay Area Dave <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:
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thanks for the info Charly. Yes, 15 minute intervals would resolve my concern over fast infusion rates. The MiniMed pumps can extend boluses in 30 minute increments. How do you like the programming of the Cozmo? Is it straightforward?
The programming is straight forward. They do things differently from MiniMed, at least from the 507C, but it is mostly reasonable. I would like to change the order of a couple menus to better reflect my use patterns, but that was true of MiniMed as well. The only thing they don't have that I miss is a prime history, The remaining insulin function fulfills meets the need. I was just used to looking at the prime history to keep track of when I last changed the site. They have a site change alarm, but that's not exactly what I want. If you have any other questions, e-mail me and I'll respond when I return from sea.
I find my pump becomes inaccurate, as far as dosage, when it gets to about 10 units left.
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Thanks again, Charly. I wait to change my set when the pump is nearly out of insulin. The 508 alarms at 20 units to empty, and also again at 10 units to empty. Plus I just hit the lower left button once to see insulin remaining.
dave
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Bay Area Dave <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:
> thanks for the info Charly. Yes, 15 minute intervals > would resolve my concern over fast infusion rates. The > MiniMed pumps can extend boluses in 30 minute > increments. How do you like the programming of the > Cozmo? Is it straightforward?
The programming is straight forward. They do things differently from MiniMed, at least from the 507C, but it is mostly reasonable. I would like to change the order of a couple menus to better reflect my use patterns, but that was true of MiniMed as well. The only thing they don't have that I miss is a prime history, The remaining insulin function fulfills meets the need. I was just used to looking at the prime history to keep track of when I last changed the site. They have a site change alarm, but that's not exactly what I want. If you have any other questions, e-mail me and I'll respond when I return from sea.
I find my pump becomes inaccurate, as far as dosage, when it gets to about 10 units left.
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Thanks again, Charly. I wait to change my set when the pump is nearly out of insulin. The 508 alarms at 20 units to empty, and also again at 10 units to empty. Plus I just hit the lower left button once to see insulin remaining.
dave
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> Bay Area Dave <[email hidden]> wrote in > :"]news:[email hidden]: > >> thanks for the info Charly. Yes, 15 minute intervals >> would resolve my concern over fast infusion rates. The >> MiniMed pumps can extend boluses in 30 minute >> increments. How do you like the programming of the >> Cozmo? Is it straightforward? > > > > > > The programming is straight forward. They do things > differently from MiniMed, at least from the 507C, but > it is mostly reasonable. I would like to change the > order of a couple menus to better reflect my use > patterns, but that was true of MiniMed as well. The > only thing they don't have that I miss is a prime > history, The remaining insulin function fulfills meets > the need. I was just used to looking at the prime > history to keep track of when I last changed the site. > They have a site change alarm, but that's not exactly > what I want. If you have any other questions, e-mail me > and I'll respond when I return from sea. > >
I haven't had that experience with my 508. I've had quite a few pumps since 1996 and haven't had the last few units left in the reservoir do anything different than the rest. I change my set every 2 to 3 days and I use Humalog. I pump about 35 - 50 units per day unless I'm bad and overeat.
dave
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MiniMed 508
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which pump is that?
dave
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I find my pump becomes inaccurate, as far as dosage, when it gets to about 10 units left.
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> Thanks again, Charly. I wait to change my set when the > pump is nearly out of insulin. The 508 alarms at 20 > units to empty, and also again at 10 units to empty. > Plus I just hit the lower left button once to see > insulin remaining. > > dave > > Charly Coughran wrote: > >> Bay Area Dave <[email hidden]> wrote in news:uAQ5c.249- >> [email hidden]: >> >>> thanks for the info Charly. Yes, 15 minute intervals >>> would resolve my concern over fast infusion rates. >>> The MiniMed pumps can extend boluses in 30 minute >>> increments. How do you like the programming of the >>> Cozmo? Is it straightforward? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The programming is straight forward. They do things >> differently from MiniMed, at least from the 507C, but >> it is mostly reasonable. I would like to change the >> order of a couple menus to better reflect my use >> patterns, but that was true of MiniMed as well. The >> only thing they don't have that I miss is a prime >> history, The remaining insulin function fulfills meets >> the need. I was just used to looking at the prime >> history to keep track of when I last changed the site. >> They have a site change alarm, but that's not exactly >> what I want. If you have any other questions, e-mail >> me and I'll respond when I return from sea. >> >> >
As was hinted at in another reply, it might not have anything to do with the pump, or the dosing, but rather with your site times being too long. When I used to use Humalog, at precisely 72 hours, my requirements went up dramatically. This was always near the end of the reservoir, but switching to Novolog confirmed that it wasn't the pump causing the problems. The change in insulins extended the amount of time *I* was able to keep my site in place. I'm not saying that this is your problem, but it's something to consider.
Randy
In misc.health.diabetes Marshall
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I find my pump becomes inaccurate, as far as dosage, when it gets to about 10 units left.
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Bay Area Dave said:
Thanks again, Charly. I wait to change my set when the pump is nearly out of insulin. The 508 alarms at 20 units to empty, and also again at 10 units to empty. Plus I just hit the lower left button once to see insulin remaining.
dave
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Bay Area Dave <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:
> thanks for the info Charly. Yes, 15 minute intervals > would resolve my concern over fast infusion rates. The > MiniMed pumps can extend boluses in 30 minute > increments. How do you like the programming of the > Cozmo? Is it straightforward?
The programming is straight forward. They do things differently from MiniMed, at least from the 507C, but it is mostly reasonable. I would like to change the order of a couple menus to better reflect my use patterns, but that was true of MiniMed as well. The only thing they don't have that I miss is a prime history, The remaining insulin function fulfills meets the need. I was just used to looking at the prime history to keep track of when I last changed the site. They have a site change alarm, but that's not exactly what I want. If you have any other questions, e-mail me and I'll respond when I return from sea.
As was hinted at in another reply, it might not have anything to do with the pump, or the dosing, but rather with your site times being too long. When I used to use Humalog, at precisely 72 hours, my requirements went up dramatically. This was always near the end of the reservoir, but switching to Novolog confirmed that it wasn't the pump causing the problems. The change in insulins extended the amount of time *I* was able to keep my site in place. I'm not saying that this is your problem, but it's something to consider.
Randy
In misc.health.diabetes Marshall
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I find my pump becomes inaccurate, as far as dosage, when it gets to about 10 units left.
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Thanks again, Charly. I wait to change my set when the pump is nearly out of insulin. The 508 alarms at 20 units to empty, and also again at 10 units to empty. Plus I just hit the lower left button once to see insulin remaining.
dave
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>Bay Area Dave <[email hidden]> wrote in >:"]news:[email hidden]: > > >>thanks for the info Charly. Yes, 15 minute intervals >>would resolve my concern over fast infusion rates. The >>MiniMed pumps can extend boluses in 30 minute >>increments. How do you like the programming of the >>Cozmo? Is it straightforward? > > > >The programming is straight forward. They do things >differently from MiniMed, at least from the 507C, but it >is mostly reasonable. I would like to change the order >of a couple menus to better reflect my use patterns, but >that was true of MiniMed as well. The only thing they >don't have that I miss is a prime history, The remaining >insulin function fulfills meets the need. I was just >used to looking at the prime history to keep track of >when I last changed the site. They have a site change >alarm, but that's not exactly what I want. If you have >any other questions, e-mail me and I'll respond when I >return from sea. > >
As was hinted at in another reply, it might not have anything to do with the pump, or the dosing, but rather with your site times being too long. When I used to use Humalog, at precisely 72 hours, my requirements went up dramatically. This was always near the end of the reservoir, but switching to Novolog confirmed that it wasn't the pump causing the problems. The change in insulins extended the amount of time *I* was able to keep my site in place. I'm not saying that this is your problem, but it's something to consider.
Randy
I had found the same problem. using humalog I could only keep a set i place for 3 days with novolog it lasted 4 days. Never 5.
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
...Theodore Roosevelt
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I find my pump becomes inaccurate, as far as dosage, when it gets to about 10 units left.
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Bay Area Dave said:
Thanks again, Charly. I wait to change my set when the pump is nearly out of insulin. The 508 alarms at 20 units to empty, and also again at 10 units to empty. Plus I just hit the lower left button once to see insulin remaining.
dave
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> Bay Area Dave <[email hidden]> wrote in > :"]news:[email hidden]: > >> thanks for the info Charly. Yes, 15 minute intervals >> would resolve my concern over fast infusion rates. The >> MiniMed pumps can extend boluses in 30 minute >> increments. How do you like the programming of the >> Cozmo? Is it straightforward? > > > > The programming is straight forward. They do things > differently from MiniMed, at least from the 507C, but > it is mostly reasonable. I would like to change the > order of a couple menus to better reflect my use > patterns, but that was true of MiniMed as well. The > only thing they don't have that I miss is a prime > history, The remaining insulin function fulfills meets > the need. I was just used to looking at the prime > history to keep track of when I last changed the site. > They have a site change alarm, but that's not exactly > what I want. If you have any other questions, e-mail me > and I'll respond when I return from sea. > >
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:32:10 GMT, Randy Sigman <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Marshall,
As was hinted at in another reply, it might not have anything to do with the pump, or the dosing, but rather with your site times being too long. When I used to use Humalog, at precisely 72 hours, my requirements went up dramatically. This was always near the end of the reservoir, but switching to Novolog confirmed that it wasn't the pump causing the problems. The change in insulins extended the amount of time *I* was able to keep my site in place. I'm not saying that this is your problem, but it's something to consider.
Randy
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I had found the same problem. using humalog I could only keep a set i place for 3 days with novolog it lasted 4 days. Never 5.
Mack,
I have found that with Novolog, depending upon my eating habits during the infusion set cycle, the site times for me can last in excess of 5 days. I think I've reached 6 days, but can't remember for sure. My doc doesn't really appreciate it, but the fact that I haven't had a site infection in many years helps my case. 🙂
I'm sorry if this is in the wrong format or not placed where it should be, but this is my first posting. Anyway, I unfortunately upgraded to the 512 from the 511 and was very excited at what had been offered with the new rf meter communication, the software to put my carbs, insulin intake, and glucose readings all in one program. Little did I know the nightmare I had bought into. I have read the threads and have had the same results with the E-3 messages in addition to E-2 messages that occur daily because my meter won't work under about 55 degrees (yes i've put in new batteries). I would send the meter back but it looks like that is just a vain attempt for not. I also have had my meter for over 9 months and still have not received the software that was promised, which was one of the main reasons that I upgraded. I also want to say that minimed's overall service has went to hell in my point of view since the merger with medtronic. I have received wrong merchandise, they have ran out of stock, and they now claim that they didn't receive my 511 which was sent in registered mailing envelope that they provide(you would think they would have kept a database of the tracking numbers and who they were sent to). I am thinking of switching to another pump distributor. Oh yeah, now they claim that their watertight meter isn't so watertight. Better yet I think I may just go back to the good ole syringes. At least I wouldn't have to deal with the elevated blood sugars resulting from the stress of having to use inferior products. I find that I get very irritated at using 5 or 6 test strips at a buck a pop, get frustrated and waste the next strip because I now prematurely put the blood in before it is ready!! I think their meter reliability, accuracy and any other issues might be resolved if they were to go back to a larger drop of blood! Well now that I have that off my chest I will be back to read messages to this newgroup to see if others feel the same. Maybe it just takes time and numbers of disgruntled customers for them to address their problems.
Sincerely, Brian Keith
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I've written letters to BD, Medtronic, and the Food and Drug Administration complaining about the lousy experience that I have had with BD's meter. BD has sent me replacement strips on two occassions and this last occassion, they sent me a new meter. I set up the meter with the time and date, stuck a strip in, and using control solution, obtained 5 E-3 error messages in a row. The 6th strip gave me a reading of 92. So I opened a brand new control solution bottle and proceeded to obtain 7 error messages in a row before I obtained a 128 reading. I thought, give it the full treatment, stuck a new strip in, and got a blood sample. First strip was an E-3, stuck a new strip in and it read low. Took the new strips, new meter, and put it in the box along with the previous meter and strips and wrote BD a letter detailing what I personally thought of their crappy meter, and the fact that I had gone back to my old meter. I don't need Medtronics little wizard. I don't need BD's crappy little meter. And am quite satisfied using my old meter. Having been involved in Diabetes Camping for many years, I have had oportunities to try many different meters. Almost all of them do a pretty credible job of measuring blood glucose. Medtronic reallly screwed up badly picking BD to build a meter to go with the Paradym meter. They can deny all responsibility for this crummy glucose meter, but in the end they will be painted with the same brush.
I've told them that, but they aren't interested in hearing it. When they're existing customer base starts migrating to the competition, they might begin to wonder what is wrong, but I doubt even that will raise a flag.
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Becton Dickinson responded to my email complaint and explanation that I was returning to them both crummy meters. Their rep called me up on the phone. They didn't make excuses. Appologized for my troubles, and assured me that when they fixed the problems that they were having, would be happy to send me a new meter and strips. Too bad Medtronic wasn't as upfront as BD.
My experience with BD wasn't as pleasant. They insisted that their product was fixed, and that there was nothing left for them to do.
Just an update on my experience with BD relating to the meter that comes with the Paradigm 512 Minimed upgrade.
I just received a letter in the mail from BD, telling me that I never returned product that had been requested to be returned. In fact, all the product that had been requested had been returned. The onus has been put upon me, however, to call them and clear this up. It continues to astound me how an organization run so poorly can't seem to do anything at all right. One would think that on occasion, something ought to happen the way it should.
I think that I have now had the last dealing with BD on this issue. I'm looking forward to the day when I can say that about Minimed.
Your problems bring to mind my anxiety each time I return a defective pump. "Did they get it?", I ask myself. or are they going to lose it and bill me for the loss?
dave
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Just an update on my experience with BD relating to the meter that comes with the Paradigm 512 Minimed upgrade.
I just received a letter in the mail from BD, telling me that I never returned product that had been requested to be returned. In fact, all the product that had been requested had been returned. The onus has been put upon me, however, to call them and clear this up. It continues to astound me how an organization run so poorly can't seem to do anything at all right. One would think that on occasion, something ought to happen the way it should.
I think that I have now had the last dealing with BD on this issue. I'm looking forward to the day when I can say that about Minimed.
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Your problems bring to mind my anxiety each time I return a defective pump. "Did they get it?", I ask myself. or are they going to lose it and bill me for the loss?
dave
this is new. how many defective pumps have you returned?
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
...Theodore Roosevelt
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Randy Sigman said:
Just an update on my experience with BD relating to the meter that comes with the Paradigm 512 Minimed upgrade.
I just received a letter in the mail from BD, telling me that I never returned product that had been requested to be returned. In fact, all the product that had been requested had been returned. The onus has been put upon me, however, to call them and clear this up. It continues to astound me how an organization run so poorly can't seem to do anything at all right. One would think that on occasion, something ought to happen the way it should.
I think that I have now had the last dealing with BD on this issue. I'm looking forward to the day when I can say that about Minimed.
Interesting. I have exchanged pumps on at least a dozen occasions, and have never really considered what might happen if the pump never got back to Minimed. They must figure that the actual mfrs cost of an occasional lost device is less than the cost to prepay a fedex shipment for every pump they must have to exchange.
In the particular case involving BD, I suspect that there was never any lost shipment, but rather typically inadequate record keeping on BD's part, as I keep very detailed records. 🙂
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Your problems bring to mind my anxiety each time I return a defective pump. "Did they get it?", I ask myself. or are they going to lose it and bill me for the loss?
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Just an update on my experience with BD relating to the meter that comes with the Paradigm 512 Minimed upgrade.
I just received a letter in the mail from BD, telling me that I never returned product that had been requested to be returned. In fact, all the product that had been requested had been returned. The onus has been put upon me, however, to call them and clear this up. It continues to astound me how an organization run so poorly can't seem to do anything at all right. One would think that on occasion, something ought to happen the way it should.
I think that I have now had the last dealing with BD on this issue. I'm looking forward to the day when I can say that about Minimed.
