Be-spoke-n wheels...

Discussion in 'Cycling Equipment' started by Volnix, Mar 11, 2014.

  1. Volnix

    Volnix Well-Known Member

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    Hi! [​IMG]

    Another equipment paradox:

    1 quality carbon rim = 160euro?
    1 set of spokes = 20euro?
    1 hub (ultra spinny ceramic [email protected] knows why it wont stop spinning) = 40euro?

    Total = 220euro.

    BUT an allready built wheel (somebody doing a bit of spoke tension yoga) = 1000euro!!!


    Why? How long does it take to built a wheel anyway? 2 hours?

    700euro just for building the wheel???
     
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    maydog Well-Known Member

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    Where are you getting a high quality carbon rim for 160 and a high quality hub for 40?
     
  3. Volnix

    Volnix Well-Known Member

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    Ultegra hub, 60euro.

    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/shimano-ultegra-hb-6600-front-hub-silver-prod10812/?currency=eur&changecurrency=eur

    Mavic alu, slightly aero clincher, 80euro:

    http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/mavic-cxp-33-700c-(622)-rim-prod27036/

    How much for spokes? another 20?

    Total 160euro.

    I cant find a complete wheel with that rim but...

    A complete aloy mavic clincher: 1500euro for the pair???

    http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/r-sys-slr-wts-013-m10-65091/wg_id-216

    Yeah sure the ones in the complete wheelset are about 2 grams lighter and they are made from extruding the rim from a jumbo jet or something or whatever...
     
  4. maydog

    maydog Well-Known Member

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    That rim is neither aero nor carbon. For sure, it is not the same rim as the linked wheelset. The wheelset also includes tires and a computer magnet for free.

    Not that I would pay 1500+ for a wheelset, thats more than 2x the price of my latest full up bike build. I will stick with high value alloy wheelsets for now.
     
  5. Volnix

    Volnix Well-Known Member

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    Mavic says that it's "oval" so its more aero then the trapezoidal ones...

    Anyway the rim and the wheelset say that they are made of aluminium.

    Yeah a pair of tires, another 80euro and a magnet another 2?

    What are the rest 1000euro for? [​IMG]
     
  6. danfoz

    danfoz Well-Known Member

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    A haircut takes nothing more than a pair of scissors but if you want to come out of the shop looking like <insert favorite movie star here> you'll probably want to go to a stylist/barber with some experience and the appropriate tools.

    These seems to match your component spec: http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?partNumber=VL-CLC&catalogId=10052&storeId=10053... 300euros retail, now on sale for 150euros.

    You can get your spokes for $20/wheel... or $100/wheel: http://www.wheelbuilder.com/sapim-cx-ray-spoke.html

    Maybe on the higher end the manufacturers are looking to cover the cost of R&D (design, fatigue testing, wind tunnel testing, engineering expertise), the cost of doing business (marketing, human capital, distribution, etc.), and the cost of actual fabrication (human hands, machine building, or a combination of both)?

    And finally, what is the market willing to bare... a little profit perhaps for that fancy new car, the kid's college education, or a tasty pack of western cigarettes? If people keep willing to throw more money at products why charge less? It's the beauty (and ugliness) of a free market.

    Then again I cut my own hair with a pair of clippers and have no formal training as a stylist (or wheelbuilder) so you probably don't want me to cut your hair (or build your wheels).
     
  7. Volnix

    Volnix Well-Known Member

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    Naah these wheels are built with a rim from a Taiwan (if not a China commie red) non-wind tunnel beer party lab...

    I think I might actually save 1000 euro with just buying a spoke wrench and a tension gauge at the moment.

    "Le Mavic wheel... Le Aluminium cover - non heat accumulating bull - Aluminium core - non weight saving - non carbon feel ride - bull - per 1000 euroz plus!" [​IMG]

    Magnific! [​IMG]
     
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