Bent gettogether in Europe 2003?

Discussion in 'Recumbent bicycles' started by Mikael Seierup, Feb 12, 2003.

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  1. I was wondering if there would be interest in a European gathering of recumbenteers in 2003 while we
    wait for a possible BROL event in 2004?

    I would suggest the AIT Cycle Rally as a possibility. Its held in Denmark on Fyen this year from the
    12th to the 20th of July. The price is reasonable and its not a race but more of a social gathering
    of cyclists with preplanned routes of varying length each day.

    Read more at http://www.cyclefestival.dk/ The beauty of this event is that all we need to do is to
    form a recumbent camp.

    So... good idea or ? Any other events where it might be more fun to meet? Considered CycleVision but
    its more raceoriented AFAIK and a wee bit cold?

    Regards Mikael
     
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  2. Cletus Lee

    Cletus Lee Guest

    Is there a prize for traveling the fartherest to attend? :)

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > I was wondering if there would be interest in a European gathering of recumbenteers in 2003 while
    > we wait for a possible BROL event in 2004?
    >
    > I would suggest the AIT Cycle Rally as a possibility. Its held in Denmark on Fyen this year from
    > the 12th to the 20th of July. The price is reasonable and its not a race but more of a social
    > gathering of cyclists with preplanned routes of varying length each day.
    >
    > Read more at http://www.cyclefestival.dk/ The beauty of this event is that all we need to do is to
    > form a recumbent camp.
    >
    > So... good idea or ? Any other events where it might be more fun to meet? Considered CycleVision
    > but its more raceoriented AFAIK and a wee bit cold?
    >
    > Regards Mikael
    >
    >
    >

    --

    Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager http://www.clee.org
    - Bellaire, TX USA -
     
  3. >> So... good idea or ? Any other events where it might be more fun to meet? Considered CycleVision
    >> but its more raceoriented AFAIK and a wee bit cold?
    >>
    Not really cold as such, just a wee bit wet usually. If you know when and where it won't be
    raining in Europe this summer, I'll be much obliged to hear about it. Had a few rather rainy
    holidays the last couple of years (in Ireland, England, Germany and, yes, Denmark) so now I'm
    thinking about Finland. You might consider joining up with the Finnish Eko-trip (
    http://ecotrip.info/e-index.htm ).

    Mark van Gorkom.
     
  4. "Mark van Gorkom" skrev...

    *snip*
    > so now I'm thinking about Finland. You might consider joining up with the Finnish Eko-trip (
    > http://ecotrip.info/e-index.htm ).

    Well trouble with that is that its 30-40 people maximum and not located very conveniently for anyone
    except maybe the Swedes. The Cyclerally draws 1100-1500 people and would, in my humble opinion, be a
    great place to get together.

    In other words I'm not looking for an event for me but rather testing the waters to see if we could
    get a bunch of recumbent riders from all of Europe to meet up.

    Regards Mikael
     
  5. Cycle Vision cold? In June? huh?

    About prizes for longest travelling participants, maybe we could have that in .fi Ecotrip... might
    boost popularity ;->

    Do you mean that you're not coming to Cycle Vision and .nl Ecotrip, Mikael? 8-|

    Mark van Gorkom <[email protected]> wrote:
    : obliged to hear about it. Had a few rather rainy holidays the last couple of years (in Ireland,
    : England, Germany and, yes, Denmark) so now I'm thinking about Finland. You might consider joining
    : up with the Finnish Eko-trip ( http://ecotrip.info/e-index.htm ).

    2001 I got soaked four times on a bike. 2002 I can't remember any rainy day... I think there was one
    day in the summer when it rained... musta been a recovery day or something.

    The Ecotrip is in a different locale so only thing I know is the course is guaranteed to be flat
    (think about a .fi version of the Netherlands :)

    If you want to go closer to home there's the Göteborgskalaset (did I spell it right...) early
    August, South-West Sweden. They even have some little races there. And a big carneval in the city.

    --
    Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/ varis at no spam please iki fi
     
  6. <[email protected]> skrev
    > Cycle Vision cold? In June? huh?

    Well some reports I read mentioned it being a bit chilly far as I recall.

    > Do you mean that you're not coming to Cycle Vision and .nl Ecotrip, Mikael? 8-|

    Polish chum couldn't get time off. Plus I'm probably still broke by then. And they reached the max
    number of 40 participants anyway. So I'm probably sticking to AIT. I can take my bike on the train
    most of the way and ride the last 20-30 km.

    Mikael
     
  7. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Mikael Seierup wrote:
    > .... So I'm probably sticking to AIT. I can take my bike on the train most of the way and ride the
    > last 20-30 km.

    Mikael,

    If I recall correctly (it was 19 1/2 years ago) the view down while crossing the railroad
    bridge from Zealand to Fyen is quite spectacular (unless I am thinking about the bridge from
    Fyen to Jutland).

    I wish we had a passenger rail system as nice as the DSB in the US. :(

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) Various HPV's
     
  8. "Tom Sherman" skrev...

    > If I recall correctly (it was 19 1/2 years ago) the view down while crossing the railroad bridge
    > from Zealand to Fyen is quite spectacular (unless I am thinking about the bridge from Fyen to
    > Jutland).

    Storebæltsbroen was opened for railtraffic in 1997 and half of the railway is in a tunnel anyway so
    you may be thinking of Lillebæltsbroen. http://www.highways.dk/danmark/broer/storebaeltsbro.php
    (nice site for bridgeophiles btw)

    > I wish we had a passenger rail system as nice as the DSB in the US. :(

    Is that the same DSB where everything grinds to a screeching halt each autumn, at least for the
    S-trains in Copenhagen, because theres a leaf or two on the rails? :)

    Mikael
     
  9. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Mikael Seierup wrote:
    >
    > "Tom Sherman" skrev...
    >
    > > If I recall correctly (it was 19 1/2 years ago) the view down while crossing the railroad bridge
    > > from Zealand to Fyen is quite spectacular (unless I am thinking about the bridge from Fyen to
    > > Jutland).
    >
    > Storebæltsbroen was opened for railtraffic in 1997 and half of the railway is in a tunnel anyway
    > so you may be thinking of Lillebæltsbroen. http://www.highways.dk/danmark/broer/storebaeltsbro.php
    > (nice site for bridgeophiles btw)
    >
    > > I wish we had a passenger rail system as nice as the DSB in the US. :(
    >
    > Is that the same DSB where everything grinds to a screeching halt each autumn, at least for the
    > S-trains in Copenhagen, because theres a leaf or two on the rails? :)

    Mikael,

    I believe the bridge I am thinking of is the one at Lillebæltsbroen. This was shortly before the
    woman standing one window upwind of me decided to dump her coffee out the window - I had to duck
    very quickly.

    My recollection of the S-trains is that they were an efficient was to get around, were always clean
    and in good condition, and were generally on time. They also seemed to be much safer from a personal
    standpoint than the commuter rail systems in the US. The diesel powered trains on the longer routes
    had doors that closed in a rather intimidating manner, however.

    Is the "Pig" (a single car, narrow gauge track line just north of Copenhagen still in service?

    As an aside, one of the things I found humorous in 1983 was all the "Bush Go Home" graffiti,
    especially when it was painted on the front of a city bus.

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) Various HPV's
     
  10. Cletus Lee

    Cletus Lee Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > > I wish we had a passenger rail system as nice as the DSB in the US. :(
    >
    > Is that the same DSB where everything grinds to a screeching halt each autumn, at least for the
    > S-trains in Copenhagen, because theres a leaf or two on the rails? :)

    At least you have a passenger rail system. Even at a 'screaching halt' it is better than what exists
    in the US.

    S-Train == Schneller Zug?? This is not an American concept. As you can see, there is no translation
    to American English
    --

    Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager http://www.clee.org
    - Bellaire, TX USA -
     
  11. "Cletus Lee" skrev

    > S-Train == Schneller Zug?? This is not an American concept. As you can see, there is no
    > translation to American English

    Talk about a derailled thread. :)

    In 1934 they had a little contest to find a name for the new electric citytrains. "S-banen" won
    (translates to "S-railroad" I suppose). A reason listed is that the stations had an "S"-sign to mark
    them as stations, and that the name then grew from that. Another that Berlin 3 years earlier opened
    their "Stadtbahn" or "Schnellbahn".

    So what runs on a S-railroad? S-trains of course. :) Simple really.

    Regards Mikael
     
  12. "Mikael Seierup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    > So I'm probably sticking to AIT. I can take my bike on the train most of the way and ride the last
    > 20-30 km.

    Isn't that a bit blasphemous for a bike meeting in the summer ?

    I'm getting married July 12th, and escaping to Ireland the 13th. so I can't attend (damn)

    Torben
     
  13. Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
    : I wish we had a passenger rail system as nice as the DSB in the US. :(

    Well there's at least the Chigago rail system. It's quite a bit bigger than what we have here in
    Greater Helsinki. Funnily enough it's all diesel, diesel trains went out of service here when I
    was a kid...

    --
    Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/ varis at no spam please iki fi
     
  14. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
    > : I wish we had a passenger rail system as nice as the DSB in the US. :(
    >
    > Well there's at least the Chigago rail system. It's quite a bit bigger than what we have here in
    > Greater Helsinki. Funnily enough it's all diesel, diesel trains went out of service here when I
    > was a kid...

    Actually there are two systems, the City of Chicago proper has the Chicago Transit Authority (CTA)
    and the suburbs have the Regional Transit Authority (RTA). The CTA runs electric commuter trains
    [1], a subway system, and buses. The RTA runs diesel commuter trains (Metra) and buses (Pace).

    [1] These are on elevated tracks in the downtown area [2], so the system is commonly referred to
    as the "L".
    [2] Locally known as "The Loop"

    Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) Various HPV's
     
  15. Carl

    Carl Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] wrote:

    > Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote:
    > : I wish we had a passenger rail system as nice as the DSB in the US. :(
    >
    > Well there's at least the Chigago rail system. It's quite a bit bigger than what we have here in
    > Greater Helsinki. Funnily enough it's all diesel, diesel trains went out of service here when I
    > was a kid...

    Assuming that's supposed to be "Chicago," no it's not all diesel. The Metra trains which run from
    downtown out through the suburbs are diesel-electric (they actually share and are operated by
    freight lines), but that's it. The "L" (part elevated & part subway) which covers most of the city
    of Chicago is powered off a third rail, and the South Shore which runs from Chicago around to South
    Bend, IN is powered by overhead lines.

    -Carl
     
  16. Offtopic:

    Carl <[email protected]> wrote:
    : In article <[email protected]>,
    : risto[email protected] wrote:
    :> Well there's at least the Chigago rail system. It's quite a bit bigger than what we have here in
    :> Greater Helsinki. Funnily enough it's all diesel, diesel trains went out of service here when I
    :> was a kid...

    : Assuming that's supposed to be "Chicago," no it's not all diesel.

    Oops, c and g are pretty close to each other on they keyborad ;)

    : Metra trains which run from downtown out through the suburbs are diesel-electric (they actually
    : share and are operated by freight lines),

    Hmm, diesel-electric like German tanks in WW 2? (Diesel generator which feeds electricity for the
    wheels.) Wonder who designed them :eek:)

    : but that's it. The "L" (part elevated & part subway) which covers most of the city of Chicago is
    : powered off a third rail, and the South Shore which runs from Chicago around to South Bend, IN is
    : powered by overhead lines.

    Like I said, leeto enough... :)

    --
    Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/ varis at no spam please iki fi
     
  17. Russ Price

    Russ Price Guest

    [email protected] wrote:

    > Well there's at least the Chigago rail system. It's quite a bit bigger than what we have here in
    > Greater Helsinki. Funnily enough it's all diesel, diesel trains went out of service here when I
    > was a kid...

    If you're thinking of Metra <http://www.metrarail.com/>, one of their lines is electric - the
    former Illinois Central commuter line that serves the South Side and suburbs, electrified in 1921.
    Part of that line is also used by the South Shore line from Chicago to South Bend, Indiana, which
    is generally considered to be the sole survivor of the electric interurban lines that once
    crisscrossed the US.

    Both operate on 1.5 kV DC overhead wire.

    The rest of Metra's system is diesel, though.

    Within Chicago, and serving a few of the north and west suburbs, the Chicago Transit Authority's
    rapid transit system (referred to as the "El" even when it's underground[1]) is electric, using a
    600V DC third rail system.

    Recently, the CTA has started allowing bikes on trains, except during rush hour. Metra only allows
    folding bikes in bags. That means it would be impractical for me to participate in a Critical Mass
    ride, as I'd have to drive to work that day, or find a place to stay overnight. There's no way I'd
    want to ride home through the South Side at night, and there are only two South Side routes that I'd
    use during the day.

    Metra, IMHO, does a good job of keeping its system clean and well-maintained. I use the ex-Rock
    Island[2] line to get to work. It's nice to be able to sit back and read the paper rather than have
    to fight through nasty traffic jams!

    [1] As contrasted to New York, where it's the "subway" even when it's elevated.

    [2] The original Rock Island went bankrupt many decades ago, and was finally liquidated in 1980.
    Metra is operated by a local governmental agency, with funding from a combination of farebox
    revenues, a motor fuel tax that applies in its service area, plus federal and state funds. I can
    just hear Gator Bob screaming "socialist!" at me now, in spite of far more massive government
    funding for road construction and airports. :eek:)
    --
    Russ Price * [email protected] * kill the wabbit to email

    "And here you thought the worst thing you could do was pee on the third rail." -Cecil Adams, "The
    Straight Dope"
     
  18. Tom Sherman

    Tom Sherman Guest

    Russ Price wrote:
    > ... Metra is operated by a local governmental agency, with funding from a combination of farebox
    > revenues, a motor fuel tax that applies in its service area, plus federal and state funds. I can
    > just hear Gator Bob screaming "socialist!" at me now, in spite of far more massive government
    > funding for road construction and airports....

    But it is OK for the government to spend money to help corporations increase their profits. It is
    only public use projects and individuals that are parasites on society.

    Tom Sherman - Recumbent Curmudgeon

    [The country] cannot stand four more years of [President] Jimmy Carter.
    . . . We've got to balance the budget. Jimmy Carter won't do it, but Ronald Reagan will do it. -
    Strom Thurmond, Nov. 3, 1980.
     
  19. John Riley

    John Riley Guest

    Here is another possibility:

    http://pub65.ezboard.com/fbentrideronlinefrm1.showMessage?topicID=1301.topic

    Mikael Seierup wrote:
    >
    > I was wondering if there would be interest in a European gathering of recumbenteers in 2003 while
    > we wait for a possible BROL event in 2004?
    >
    > I would suggest the AIT Cycle Rally as a possibility. Its held in Denmark on Fyen this year from
    > the 12th to the 20th of July. The price is reasonable and its not a race but more of a social
    > gathering of cyclists with preplanned routes of varying length each day.
    >
    > Read more at http://www.cyclefestival.dk/ The beauty of this event is that all we need to do is to
    > form a recumbent camp.
    >
    > So... good idea or ? Any other events where it might be more fun to meet? Considered CycleVision
    > but its more raceoriented AFAIK and a wee bit cold?
    >
    > Regards Mikael
     
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