'bent on eBay: Challenge Taifun SWB OSS - very slinky



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Once again, not mine. I might even put a bid on this one,
even though it's OSS which doesn't really appeal. It's
gorgeously low and slinky...

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"Simon Brooke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Once again, not mine. I might even put a bid on this one,
> even though it's OSS which doesn't really appeal. It's
> gorgeously low and slinky...
>
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>
> Morning had broken, and we had run out of gas for
> the welding
torch.
>

Can someone tell me what the pleasure is lying on your back
riding a cycle?. I think I would feel so vulnerable.

Rory
 
Rodders wrote:
>
> Can someone tell me what the pleasure is lying on your
> back riding a cycle?. I think I would feel so vulnerable.
>
> Rory

I once heard a radio DJ describe recumbant riders as looking
like "an intellectual making a statement". Apart from that
it would seem to be the most efficient way of applying
muscle power to the pedals. Never ridden one myself, I think
its the useability factor holding me back. If I ever had to
commute say 10km every day including a long stretch without
junctions I would definitely consider one. If the
opportunity presents itself I would like to try one.

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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:18:10 +0100, Rodders wrote:

>
> "Simon Brooke" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:6ra0r1-
> [email protected]...
>> Once again, not mine. I might even put a bid on this one,
>> even though it's OSS which doesn't really appeal. It's
>> gorgeously low and slinky...
>>
>> <URL:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ite-
>> m=3685348608>
>>
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>> [email protected] (Simon Brooke)
>> http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>>
>> Morning had broken, and we had run out of gas for
>> the welding
> torch.
>>
>
> Can someone tell me what the pleasure is lying on your
> back riding a cycle?. I think I would feel so vulnerable.

The Taifun in the picture is very low - my recumbent is much
higher and I'm no lower than racing cyclists in a tuck.

Recumbents can be very comfortable over long distances. I
have no idea why they are also fun to ride, but that is my
experience.

AC

"Learn to ride a recumbent. You will not regret it, if
you live."
 
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:18:10 +0100, "Rodders"
<[email protected]> wrote in message
<[email protected]>:

>Can someone tell me what the pleasure is lying on your back
>riding a cycle?. I think I would feel so vulnerable.

It's like this: after an hour or so in the saddle on a
wedgie, your **** starts to hurt (or maybe go numb), your
wrists start to ache, your back begins to set, your neck
starts to cramp and your shoulders begine a dull ache. After
100 miles all these are magnified.

On a recumbent, you start off sitting comfortably on a nice,
wide padded seat, with no weight on your arms or shoulders,
and the neck bent slightly forwards, a direction it
naturally prefers. A hundred miles later the seat is still
comfortable, the hands are free from tingles, the shoulders
are still relaxed, the neck is free of kinks - and you are
still going faster on the flat due to lower wind resistance.

The real question is: what is the pleasure in riding an
upwrong? ;-)

Guy
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in message <[email protected]>, Just zis Guy,
you know? ('[email protected]') wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:18:10 +0100, "Rodders"
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>Can someone tell me what the pleasure is lying on your
>>back riding a cycle?. I think I would feel so vulnerable.
>
> On a recumbent, you start off sitting comfortably on a
> nice, wide padded seat,

Not on this one, you're not. On this one you're
definitely lounging on a nice comfortable bed. Like I
say, _very_ slinky.

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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>
> A hundred miles later the seat is still comfortable, the
> hands are free from tingles, the shoulders are still
> relaxed, the neck is free of kinks - and you are still
> going faster on the flat due to lower wind resistance.
>

...and your back is saturated with sweat where its against
the seat ;-)

Tony
 
Tony Raven wrote:
> ....and your back is saturated with sweat where its
> against the seat ;-)

That very much depends on the seat. It certainly doesn't
happen with an HPVelotechnik Airflow seat cushion.

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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:50:28 +0100, "Tony Raven"
<[email protected]> wrote in message
<[email protected]>:

>...and your back is saturated with sweat where its against
>the seat ;-)

Whassat you say? Your back stays nice and warm on the seat?
Certainly does :)

Guy
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Simon Brooke wrote:
> Once again, not mine. I might even put a bid on this one,
> even though it's OSS which doesn't really appeal. It's
> gorgeously low and slinky...

OSS makes better sense on this sort of bike 'cause it gives
better aero and this sort of thing is designed to go /fast/.
Though folk describe USS as "more comfortable" I think "more
relaxed" is a better description. The actual comfort level
on OSS bars is similar to a car steering wheel, with no
actual weight bearing on your hands.

Note that although the blurb describes it as a lowracer it
isn't actually /quite/ that low, the Jester being
Challenge's "proper" lowracer. But it's still pretty low and
should cut quite a dash into a headwind!

I think the Taifun is one of the best looking bikes there
is. Unfortunately my previous encounter with Challenge's
seat wasn't a Big Wow for me compared to Optima/HPVel's.
Could be that the different Angle of Dangle would make it
work better on the Taifun for me, though I can't be sure, of
course... But note that comfy for my physiology doesn't
necessarily mean much for anyone else's.

The Taifun has been sufficiently successful that Challenge
have developed a slightly different version, The Fujin,
which has a 26" rear wheel and full suspension. Taifun and
Fujin would definitely be on my audition list if I get a Hot
'Bent at some point in the future. I might have been tempted
to bid on this one if I didn't have other projects for money
right now (skylight replacement, open canoe, etc. etc.).

Pete x.
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Rodders wrote:

> Can someone tell me what the pleasure is lying on your
> back riding a cycle?.

Parker Knoll seem to have been making a decent living for
themselves making reclining chairs that appeal to people
with their obvious comfort for a good long while now. For
some reason many riders of conventional upright bikes don't
make a connection between comfort on a bike and comfort in
any other form of seating for anything. I don't know why...

Aside from taking your weight along your whole back rather
than on a combination of sit bones and arms, another
advantage is the default view tends to be where you're
going rather than the road just in front of the front
wheel, so despite being lower down you often tend to see
more. There are levels of wall and hedge where you'll see
less, granted, but where they're a bit lower you don't have
to make any special effort to look up and over them like
you do on drop bars.

> I think I would feel so vulnerable.

So I'm often told, but so I don't particularly feel. First,
note there are different values of low. Mine's a tourer and
my seat puts my head at about car driver's level. So though
people tell me I must feel very vulnerable "down there", in
that case "down there" is right where they often are
themselves. And where I get much better eye contact with
motorists compared to one of my uprights. The Taifun is
quite a bit lower than that, but still no need to feel any
more vulnerable than on anything else. People can see cats
running across the road in front of their vehicles, so
they'll hardly miss a recumbent bike by literally
overlooking it. People don't see bikes when they don't look
at all, not when they look over the top of recumbents.

None of the regular 'bent riders here have reported feeling
like they're overlooked more than on an upright. Generally
the opposite. So never mind the FUD, give one a try and see
how it feels. I found my arms, neck and wrists weren't sore
after 100 km so I'm not going back to road touring on
uprights now. Being comfortable takes away some ****les that
can dent the fun of riding upright.

Pete.
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Tony Raven wrote:

> ...and your back is saturated with sweat where its against
> the seat ;-)

Ah, but as a Wise Man[1] once said, "No-one ever had to take
a day off work because their back was /sweaty/"

1 - Mr. M. Burrows.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Ah, but as a Wise Man[1] once said, "No-one ever had to
> take a day off work because their back was /sweaty/"
>
> 1 - Mr. M. Burrows.

The same wise man has a wonderful retort for the "Don't you
feel vunerable down there?" question;

"Don't you feel vunerable up there? It's a long way to
fall!"

Jon
 
Jon Senior wrote:

> The same wise man has a wonderful retort for the "Don't
> you feel vunerable down there?" question;
>
> "Don't you feel vunerable up there? It's a long way
> to fall!"

Mine is "don't you feel at risk on a machine where the act
of sharp braking has a tendency to throw you over the
handlebars and send you head first towards the ground?"
And of course people don't, because they're used to the
braking characteristics and account for them, same way as
'bent riders will be used to their riding positions. I'm
quite sure if 'bents had world domination then anyone
wanting to ride one of those unusual upright bikes would
be hounded for being on a clearly unsafe (for which read
"unfamiliar") machine.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch [email protected] opined the following...
> Jon Senior wrote:
>
> > The same wise man has a wonderful retort for the "Don't
> > you feel vunerable down there?" question;
> >
> > "Don't you feel vunerable up there? It's a long way to
> > fall!"
>
> Mine is "don't you feel at risk on a machine where the act
> of sharp braking has a tendency to throw you over the
> handlebars and send you head first towards the ground?"

Doesn't quite trip off the tongue though. It was in response
to him (And the Ratcatcher) being the only recumbent on a
CTC day ride. The ride in question apparently also averaged
19.5mph which didn't strike anyone as very CTC!

> And of course people don't, because they're used to the
> braking characteristics and account for them,

Although the popular myth about not using the front brake
suggests that many people are not used to their bike, and do
go over the handlebars!

Jon
 
Peter Clinch wrote:
> Mine is "don't you feel at risk on a machine where the act
> of sharp braking has a tendency to throw you over the
> handlebars and send you head first towards the ground?"
> And of course people don't..

I do, on the odd occasion that I have to ride a wedgie.

> ...because they're used to the braking characteristics and
> account for them, same way as 'bent riders will be used to
> their riding positions.

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