Best track sprinter

Discussion in 'Track Racing' started by Lee Povey, Nov 16, 2004.

  1. Lee Povey

    Lee Povey New Member

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    So tell me how you justify this?
    The poll was for best track sprinter since the 80's and while Ryan has won 1 Olympics (which took 3 rides in the final hardly an annihalation!) at least two other cyclists have won two.
    Bit early to be calling him the best maybe?
    By the way Lutz Hesslich didnt lose a single ride on his way to winning in 1988.

    Lee
     


  2. ed073

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    Noob....only 4 posts. :)
     
  3. Zac

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    I agree with that. "He didnt' need to be a Nothstein to prove how fast he is." Nothstien is one of the biggest asses I know. I can't stand him.
     
  4. ricardo7

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    did you happen to see the keiren as well??? pretty sure he was finished and having a coke and burger by the time the others had crossed the line !!
    on 2 hours sleep after drinking piss for 10 hours the night before to celebrate his thumping of Bos.

    Saw Bayley beat fiedler and harnett, when he was a 16yr old and they were olympic champs/on top of their game. case closed.
     
  5. mah3

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    Wondering why Sergei Kopylov didn't make the list? He beat Hesslich for two world championship titles, medaled in a couple of others and won the world championship in the kilo. Overall I think Hesslich was more dominant, but you've got to at least put Kopylov on the list.
     
  6. ed073

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    As a kid I had a great photo of him hitting the deck on a concrete outdoor track (Colorado?) in a 3-up gallop.....must've been doing 70+kmh.
     
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    Is Patey out of jail yet? Shocked the sh*t out of me when I read the newspaper one day.
     
  8. ed073

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    Dunno.....I reckon he'd be in the crowd in Bendgo this weekend if he was.
     
  9. Fixey

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    I like the Idea but it has one flaw, Nakano never rode an Olympic to my knowledge. He is the only person who needs to be on the list really, rest are also rans....
    my 123 is Nakano, Hesslich then Neiwand

    I justify Neiwand simply by saying he was so good for so long! I think at his very best he may have been a little behind my forth pick Fiedler, but he gets the nod on longevity in a sport that isnt kind on age. (which illustraites my choice of Nakano even more)
     
  10. Lee Povey

    Lee Povey New Member

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    The only problem with Nakano is he never raced the amateur racers who at the time were going around half a second quicker over 200m, if it was an open competition as it is now i think he would have struggled to get top 5.

    And why oh why do people keep voting fot Neiwand??!!
    Tactically he was great but nearly all on that list had more success and as long if not longer careers!

    Is it that the Australians on this list are biased? :)

    Lee
     
  11. ed073

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    how could you say such a thing???

    1. Gary Neiwand
    2. Stephen Pate
    3. Darryn Hill
    4. Sean Eadie
    5. Carey Hall
    6. Shane Kelly
    7. David Dew
    8. Kenrick Tucker

    :D :D
     
  12. Lee Povey

    Lee Povey New Member

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    Just remind me how many of that list have been caught taking performance enhancing smarties???
     
  13. ed073

    ed073 New Member

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    lol....:D


    Maybe one or two....I'd have to look into it,
     
  14. VeloFlash

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    On that list of Australian track sprinters the only doubtful, in my mind, is Carey Hall - Kathy Watt's coach/manager/partner/fiance/husband.

    None of the others have failed tests for PED's or have been in breach for infractions of other rules relating to drugs in sport. But I welcome any challenge.
     
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    Weren't Darryn Hill and his dad flogging tabs to Perth's rave scene? Classy...
     
  16. Fixey

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    Are you serious? What about Eadie importing them does that count?
     
  17. Fixey

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    Yes the Amatures where a little faster, but as Kurt Harnet found out oh so often, fastest isnt always best. I dought the Amatures would have touched Nakano on the track. Funny thing is though that according to legend there where a dozen or so Japanese faster than him about who didnt bother with the worlds....
     
  18. VeloFlash

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    No, cos he was found not to be importing banned substances. If he had been found to have imported banned substances he would have been sanctioned.

    The "drug" in question was a hgh precursor which was provided gratis by the US supplier of legal over the counter vitamin supplements as a promotion to Eadie. Eadie produced his financial records to prove he never ordered and never paid for the hgh precursor. His position was supported by the US supplier.

    It is also doubtful whether hgh precursors actually stimulate the production of natural hgh
     
  19. Lee Povey

    Lee Povey New Member

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    Fixey The East Germans and Russians Competing at the same time as Nakano were just as skillfull tactically and atleast 0.5 of a second quicker over 200m

    For example 0.5 away from the fastest qualifier at last years olympics was 15th place!
    As for the fact there were 10 faster guys back home, there may have been 10 better kierin racers but would those men used to racing on big out door tracks in long sprints been world beaters on steep wooden tracks in shorter sprints??
    I guess we will never find out.

    And to answer your challenge VeloFlash
    Stephen Pate and Carey Hall were both disqualified from the same worlds for failing drugs tests about 1990/1991 i think.
    Also Darryn Hill has been reported to have failed an out of season test.

    Lee
     
  20. atduk92

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    I remember seeing Pate racing at Leicester in the mid 80's, probably 86 - leading up to the commonwealth games, at that time he was no match for Niewand, he was also very lightly built for a sprinter, not carrying any bulk. Quite a contrast from the build he sported in the early 90's when he almost made Hubner look like a streak of pi$$.

    He definately did get disqualified form the worlds around that time.

    As far as Nakano is concerned I agree that he would not have been quite as competetive against the likes of Hesslich, Kopylov, Hubner. They were quicker and every bit as tactically astute.
     
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