Here's a link for that recent thread on saddle irritation, and the notion that cleanliness might alleviate it. It's a bidet site, referring on the home page to porcelain manufacturers. This page explains what a bidet is. http://aim.aol.com/redirects/inclient/register.adp?distID=210 I dunno why that has a redirect or an ID. I got it from google. Yours, Doug Goncz, Replikon Research, Seven Corners, VA http://users.aol.com/DGoncz If a computer won't do what needs to be done, lie to it. Don't try this trick on people.