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Hi everybody:

My name is John Acres, I'm the founder of BiGHA. I write this because interest has been expressed
here about our company and I wanted to provide a way to get information directly. I understadn how
frustating it can be to attempt to understand what a company is about and why they're doing the
things they do.

If you want to ask me questions or offer comments, I'm happy to take them. I'll respond as best I
can. I won't always agree with you--and I'm certain you won't always agree with me. You still might
think our bike is the dumbest thing ever built and that I'm pretty stupid too.

We each have our own idea of what is good and what isn't. That's what makes the world go 'round.

Following is a response to a couple of questions raised. Let me know if you want responses to
other issues.

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Website

We spent a long time trying to decide what to do with our site. After much discussion, we chose to
do it in Flash because it is widely distributed--some say 80% of users have flash, others say
95%--and because it communicates the message we want to convey. We also believe that Flash will grow
ever more popular. As we evolve, we might well do an HTML version of the site. We started out with
that but coudn't accomplish our goals. For those that haven't seen it, our site isn't about a lot of
animations. There's a total of one so far and its prety simple. It also conveys the message of what
we hope to accomplish.

The issue of bandwidth was a big one for us. Our tests showed the site right now takes about two
minutes to download on the first visit. After that, it is supposed to be held in cache so it'll load
much, much more quickly. We're working to compress the site to a smaller size.

We tested the site using IE Explorer V5.2 and greater, and Netscape 6 and above. We also tested
Apple's Safari. We're scheduled to try Opera and possibly different Mozilla flavors. For better or
worse, we won't test with old versions of browsers. We figure people can get the newer versions for
free. Sorry.

Truth is, we jumped the gun on notifying people about the site. The plan was to get it up and have a
few dozen people review and comment. One of our guys got enthused when the site went live today and
emailed everyone that had requested information. Ouch!

Bike

For better or worse, our bike is meant to be different. Other bikes are sold as a conglomeration of
components. While that is fine for enthusiasts, it doesn't serve a large segment of consumers--the
segment we target. Many of us don't know who made the brakes or transmissions in our cars. We just
know they work. There's no attempt to hide who makes our components, we just don't emphasize it on
our site. We will include those specifications as we refine things. I understand you might disagree
and that we may be wrong. Time will tell. Here's what we use. Let me know if you have questions
about any component. I'll make sure you get the information. (you can tell by my terminology that
I'm not a bike specialist.):

Transmission: SRAM Dual-Drive Disc brakes: Avid Frame: BiGHA Electronics & software: BiGHA

Electronics

I can only imagine how silly this must seem. I'm the person that insisted on their implementation
and I firmly believe in what we offer. I can't expect you to concur--especially since you haven't
seen or tried the system. The goal is not to add a gadget. The goal is to enhance functionality. We
believe safety is critical so lights are built-in. Turn signals too. cars need all the help they
can get to see us on the road. After twice riding Cycle Oregon, I grew tired of saying "on your
left" all the time. So we added a horn. The security system is NOT meant to replace a lock. In
fact, we offer a lock option. But it can enhance the lock's performance. My family had two bikes
stolen that were locked up. Worst, we were nearby. The last time it happened, my son saw the guy
right after he'd cut the lock and was riding away. We chased him for a while--even got close enough
that he laughed at us befre he cut across a yard and rode away. Had there been a motion detector
that set off an alarm as he worked to break the lock, we could have gotten to him sooner. Besides,
the motion detector--a solid state accelerometer made by Analog Devices (ADXL202E) serves to
automatically turn off lights and drives the brake light too. There's one central set of batteries
and a minimum of switches for the rider to have to worry about.

Price $3,000 is a lot. I know it and you certainly do too. This bike costs well over half that much
to build--without beginning to amortize the millions of dollars spent on its development. The seat
alone cost over $500,000. I wish I could price the bike a lot lower. I can't. The market will judge
over the next couple of years if we've misspent.

I've taken too much of your time already so I'll stop now. I'll close by saying we're real and we're
really dedicated. We think we've got a worthwhile design and a lot of talented people have worked
hard to create it. If we're wrong, I'm out a lot of money and sixteen people will lose their jobs.
Worse things have happened and life without risk probably isn't worthwhile.

Anyway, thanks for listening. Your comments are invited and you're welcome to visit us at 4314
SW Research Way in Corvallis. We'd be happy to show you around. Bikes are expected to ship in
late March.

john
 
john Acres wrote:
>
> ... Price $3,000 is a lot. I know it and you certainly do too. This bike costs well over half that
> much to build--without beginning to amortize the millions of dollars spent on its development. The
> seat alone cost over $500,000. I wish I could price the bike a lot lower. I can't. The market will
> judge over the next couple of years if we've misspent....

This seat better be spectacular, considering one of, if not the best recumbent seats (Earth Cycles)
had to have been developed for very little money.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) Various HPV's
 
Half a Million on the Seat....damn, for that kinda money this seat had better be stellar.
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"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> john Acres wrote:
> >
> > ... Price $3,000 is a lot. I know it and you certainly do too. This bike costs well over half
> > that much to build--without beginning to amortize the millions of dollars spent on its
> > development. The seat alone cost over $500,000. I wish I could price the bike a lot lower. I
> > can't. The market will judge over the next couple of years if we've misspent....
>
> This seat better be spectacular, considering one of, if not the best recumbent seats (Earth
> Cycles) had to have been developed for very little money.
>
> Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) Various HPV's
 
No pictures of the actual product? There are several.

--
David Luecke Ridin' a RANS Vivo (wahoo!) Merritt Island, Florida USA
 
Joshua Goldberg wrote:
>
> Half a Million on the Seat....damn, for that kinda money this seat had better be stellar.

For that kind of money it'd better give the rider a hand job. A bicycle isn't that complicated and
this bike isn't in any way revolutionary. If they spent that kind of money on development, someone
is ripping someone off. Do the investors know anything at all about bicycles? Do they know that
similar bikes are going for half the price? Do they know they're going to lose their shirts?

Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

"Why of course the people don't want war... Naturally... That is understood. But, after all, it is
the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the
people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers
for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
Hermann Goering
 
wow, man, I got the Bigha message tonight and it was really far out, man. I can tell that these guys
are all libra's and scorpio's, you know? Like, they are really tuned in to the groovy side of
biking, you know?

awesome, man

rich 'pass the granola' westerman
 
We think the seat is pretty good and a lot different than anything that's been made before.
Judging from your comments about the hand job, you perhaps have different expectations of the seat
than we do.

As to whether or not our investors know--yeah, I do. It's my money that funded the development and
right now, I'd do it again. I was involved at every step of the process and I am fully aware of
exactly where each dime was spent. I sure hope you're wrong about losing my shirt. It wouldn't be a
pretty picture:)

I've had some success at creating products--and some failures too. Fortunately for me, the successes
have outweighed the failures and I've accumulated enough to undertake projects like this wihout
having to solicit money from other people.

I'm awfully pleased with and proud of this design. I've been fortunate enough to hook up with some
very talented people and they've done some great work. I understand your doubts but please forgive
me if I disagree with your assessment.

I hope you'll try the bike out later this spring when volume shipments begin. I've spent a lot of
time riding the prototypes and I like it a lot--more than any other bike I've tried. Of course, your
goals appear to be somewhat different. Here's hoping you find the seat of your dreams!

> Joshua Goldberg wrote:
> >
> > Half a Million on the Seat....damn, for that kinda money this seat had better be stellar.
>
>
> For that kind of money it'd better give the rider a hand job. A bicycle isn't that complicated and
> this bike isn't in any way revolutionary. If they spent that kind of money on development, someone
> is ripping someone off. Do the investors know anything at all about bicycles? Do they know that
> similar bikes are going for half the price? Do they know they're going to lose their shirts?
 
"john Acres" skrev...
> We think the seat is pretty good and a lot different than anything that's been made before.
> Judging from your comments about the hand job, you perhaps have different expectations of the seat
> than we do.

Or he needs a girlfriend. ;-)

The electronics part of the bike is interesting. Compass, turnsignals, brakelight and an alarm would
be nice to have. Horn I dunno... a bell works for me. The headwindindicator sounds depressing. :) I
would also like to see my cadence.

$3000 is probably not going to get it sold to "hardcore" benters. But best of luck.

Regards Mikael
 
> The electronics part of the bike is interesting. Compass, turnsignals, brakelight and an alarm
> would be nice to have. Horn I dunno... a bell works for me. The headwindindicator sounds
> depressing. :) I would also like to see my cadence.

Oh, it has cadence. Neat. Or does it? Mentioned in the text but not in the overview at the bottom
of the page.

Will you be selling the electronics separately? And if so got a price? Might be neat on my TE-clone.

Mikael
 
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:37:33 GMT, "Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote:

Opera users should be aware of this:

What it is

Opera is an alternative browser to Internet Explorer. It is touted as a faster, more secure, browser
than IE, and has an integrated Email program called M2. However, as we all know - as you add
features to a program, you also expand the possibility of opening security holes. And Opera version
7.0 opens a whopping 5 new security holes. The more disturbing thing is that these security holes
were revealed to the authors of Opera as long ago as last November and we still haven't seen fixes
for many of them. The person discovering the vulnerabilities attempted to help Opera's authors
address and resolve them, but they have not been forthcoming - so they released the info to the
general public.

To contrast, Microsoft usually releases hot fixes within 2 weeks of notification (1 week if the
threat is severe). Service packs come out about every other month with thoroughly regression
tested fixes.

The security holes open up a wide variety of vulnerabilities to an opera user, including the ability
for an attacker to read files on their disks, execute cross-site scripting attacks that transfer
security information from one site to another, read emails within M2 Opera's email host a couple
different ways, determine where you've browsed lately, log all the URL's in your history file so
they know exactly where you've been and what you've seen. These sorts of privacy and security
exploits are exactly the kind of problem that got IE into trouble. The difference is that in IE
these things were fixed well, quickly and a long time ago.

I've long said that as alternative browsers, operating systems, databases and web servers
proliferated and became more popular the temptation would be there to add more features. And as
these features are added (like Javascript in Opera 7) along come the vulnerabilities that more
complex software makes possible. As we've seen from the recent rash of Linux issues, we are
also going to see similar issues with other alternative browsers. Be careful and be a wary
buyer. Let logic prevail over what constitutes the safest choice - not an emotional "I hate
Microsoft" attitude.

What we recommend

For the moment we recommend NOT using Opera 7 as your browser. Many of these vulnerabilities exist
in older versions of Opera, but the most dangerous ones popped up with the new version 7. Until
Opera makes a concerted effort to fix these issues, and the vendor shows a real dedication to fixing
security breaches we'd recommend using a different browser by a vendor that DOES show this sort of
concerted effort. Hate it if you will but at least IE is patched fairly rapidly by Microsoft and
they've made a real effort to make their product more bulletproof.

Where to get more information

You can get more information about these advisories at:

http://security.greymagic.com/adv/

This ends this Viruswarning security update dated 2/4/2003 at 8:05pm

>Doesn't load at all on my Netscape 4.75 or Opera 7.0. Had to used the Evil One's browser. That's
>really great web design.
>
>No spec sheet, no idea of who makes the components. Who's going to buy this pig in a poke? Oh, but
>it has a humidity indicator! I guess that changes everything.
>
>Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>
>"A people living under the perpetual menace of war and invasion is very easy to govern. It
>demands no social reforms. It does not haggle over expenditures on armaments and military
>equipment. It pays without discussion, it ruins itself, and that is an excellent thing for the
>syndicates of financiers and manufacturers for whom patriotic terrors are an abundant source of
>gain." Anatole France
 
I checked out the site with Mozilla 1.2.1, with the latest flash plugin. Worked great.

--
David Luecke Ridin' a RANS Vivo (wahoo!) Merritt Island, Florida USA
 
"David Luecke" <[email protected]> wrote

| No pictures of the actual product? There are several.

Initially I was trying to view the site via a 56k connection. After viewing it via broadband I
was able to actually see the product. Still, rather "fluffy." They need an alternate to Flash for
the unwashed.

Regards,

Mike O'Brien

Remember that the Ark was built by amateurs but the Titanic was built by professionals...
 
Groovy :) Because I have often used this newsgroup and others as a reference, and just because it's
my nature, I can't stand to let things that are factually incorrect go uncorrected - mostly for the
sake of those going through this later.

If you've ever had a computer problem, searched through a group to find the solution posted months,
executed the solution, had it screw things up worse, and then see later that people must have known
it wasn't the right solution when they tried it and it didn't work, but they didn't post a reply
announcing that....then it's easier to understand :)

Yeah, I have a broadband right now, though I am going to lose it soon, and the site was no problem
that way. I know it would be a pain on dial-up. Imagine it on a Pocket PC!

--
David Luecke Ridin' a RANS Vivo (wahoo!) Merritt Island, Florida USA
 
Hi Mikael, the bike measures cadence. The mid-drive and rear wheel are each equipped with
hall-effect sensors. They're smaller and last even longer than reeed switches. The rear wheel
includes three magnets so there's three pulses per revolution. That helps give a better indication
of slow speeds.

Electroncis are not sold separately. I wish we could. But the system required two separate
processors. One is in the display console, the other in the rer fender. They share the workload and
just couldn't fit into a single enclosure that could attach to another bike. Sorry.

"Mikael Seierup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > The electronics part of the bike is interesting. Compass, turnsignals, brakelight and an alarm
> > would be nice to have. Horn I dunno... a bell works for me. The headwindindicator sounds
> > depressing. :) I would also like to see my cadence.
>
> Oh, it has cadence. Neat. Or does it? Mentioned in the text but not in the overview at the bottom
> of the page.
>
> Will you be selling the electronics separately? And if so got a price? Might be neat on my
> TE-clone.
>
> Mikael
 
John Rooker wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:37:33 GMT, "Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Opera users should be aware of this:
>
> What it is
>
> Opera is an alternative browser to Internet Explorer. It is touted as a faster, more secure,
> browser than IE, and has an integrated Email program called M2. However, as we all know - as you
> add features to a program, you also expand the possibility of opening security holes. And Opera
> version 7.0 opens a whopping 5 new security holes. The more disturbing thing is that these
> security holes were revealed to the authors of Opera as long ago as last November and we still
> haven't seen fixes for many of them. The person discovering the vulnerabilities attempted to help
> Opera's authors address and resolve them, but they have not been forthcoming - so they released
> the info to the general public.
>
> To contrast, Microsoft usually releases hot fixes within 2 weeks of notification (1 week if the
> threat is severe). Service packs come out about every other month with thoroughly regression
> tested fixes.
>
> The security holes open up a wide variety of vulnerabilities to an opera user, including the
> ability for an attacker to read files on their disks, execute cross-site scripting attacks that
> transfer security information from one site to another, read emails within M2 Opera's email host a
> couple different ways, determine where you've browsed lately, log all the URL's in your history
> file so they know exactly where you've been and what you've seen. These sorts of privacy and
> security exploits are exactly the kind of problem that got IE into trouble. The difference is that
> in IE these things were fixed well, quickly and a long time ago.
>
> I've long said that as alternative browsers, operating systems, databases and web servers
> proliferated and became more popular the temptation would be there to add more features. And as
> these features are added (like Javascript in Opera 7) along come the vulnerabilities that more
> complex software makes possible. As we've seen from the recent rash of Linux issues, we are also
> going to see similar issues with other alternative browsers. Be careful and be a wary buyer. Let
> logic prevail over what constitutes the safest choice - not an emotional "I hate Microsoft"
> attitude.
>
> What we recommend
>
> For the moment we recommend NOT using Opera 7 as your browser. Many of these vulnerabilities exist
> in older versions of Opera, but the most dangerous ones popped up with the new version 7. Until
> Opera makes a concerted effort to fix these issues, and the vendor shows a real dedication to
> fixing security breaches we'd recommend using a different browser by a vendor that DOES show this
> sort of concerted effort. Hate it if you will but at least IE is patched fairly rapidly by
> Microsoft and they've made a real effort to make their product more bulletproof.
>
> Where to get more information
>
> You can get more information about these advisories at:
>
> http://security.greymagic.com/adv/
>
> This ends this Viruswarning security update dated 2/4/2003 at 8:05pm
>
>

This is ****. Opera 7.01 with the security fixes was out in days of 7.0 release. IE is so full of
holes that patches are being continually released but new holes are being found faster then they can
be plugged. There are so many patches to IE that Microsoft itself couldn't install them all and was
brought down by the latest virus attack.

Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

"It is not Microsoft's monopoly that I object to, it is the mediocrity of their products." Larry
Ellison, CEO of Oracle
 
Belive what you want, I was just passing along information I received.

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:52:26 GMT, "Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote:

>John Rooker wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:37:33 GMT, "Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote:

>This is ****. Opera 7.01 with the security fixes was out in days of 7.0 release. IE is so full of
>holes that patches are being continually released but new holes are being found faster then they
>can be plugged. There are so many patches to IE that Microsoft itself couldn't install them all and
>was brought down by the latest virus attack.
>
>Lorenzo L. Love http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>
>"It is not Microsoft's monopoly that I object to, it is the mediocrity of their products." Larry
>Ellison, CEO of Oracle
 
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