Bike Cops

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  1. Gags

    Gags Guest

    Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have been on
    foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of there being a pursuit by bike cops
    of another cyclist who has committed a traffic offence?

    I guess it is my warped sense of humour but I can just picture some super-fit cyclist basically
    leading the boys in blue on a "training run" for a while and then putting on a big burst of speed
    and "getting away" scott free (no number plates of course).

    Also wondered if it would be like a car chase in that if you start riding up the wrong side of the
    road and running red lights, the fuzz abandons the chase due to it being to dangerous (or maybe they
    only do that when it is a danger to the public, not to yourself???)

    I would be interested to see if this has ever occurred???

    Gags
     
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  2. Ray

    Ray Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]_ozemail.com.au says...
    > I guess it is my warped sense of humour but I can just picture some super-fit cyclist basically
    > leading the boys in blue on a "training run" for a while and then putting on a big burst of speed
    > and "getting away" scott free (no number plates of course).
    >

    Nah, in Vicroria it'd go "STOP BANG I'll shoot" :p

    Cheers Ray
     
  3. Cody

    Cody Guest

    "Gags" <[email protected]_ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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    >
    > I guess it is my warped sense of humour but I can just picture some super-fit cyclist basically
    > leading the boys in blue on a "training run"
    for
    > a while and then putting on a big burst of speed and "getting away" scott free (no number plates
    > of course).

    The Bike Cops that I have seen look young and fit to me.
     
  4. Gags wrote:
    > Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have been on
    > foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of there being a pursuit by bike
    > cops of another cyclist who has committed a traffic offence?
    *snip*

    I won't name names, but a few years ago when cycle cops first started in Sydney they tried to have a
    crackdown on pushbike couriers. Quite often the couriers would just do the bolt. I know of at least
    one chase down Market St that ended with the courier shooting across George St through the traffic
    with his rear wheel getting clipped by a bus just as he made it across. I also know of an incident
    where a courier was being chased by police and a pedestrian stepped out into the road and tried to
    drag him off the bike. In North Sydney for about two weeks in 96(?) they had two police on
    motorcross bikes chasing couriers.

    These days the cops seem more physically suited to the job, and their equipment appears to have
    improved as well. I think they are a great idea, particularly in inner city suburbs like Newtown
    that are permanently clogged with traffic.

    - LB
     
  5. Gags <[email protected]_ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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    > Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have been on
    > foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of there being a pursuit by bike
    > cops of another cyclist who has committed a traffic offence?

    I have thought about that a bit. I know 3 of the bike cops in Melbourne, and they are all very fit.
    Whether or not I could beat them in a mad sprint through the city is something I'd love to try out
    without fear of being thrown into a cell afterwards!
    ---
    DFM
     
  6. Roofi

    Roofi Guest

    Ask your bike cop mates if they ever run reds.....

    I saw a pair of them run the lights at the back of the casino one arvo.

    Makes a mockery of their policing on Beach Rd. (even though I agree with it)

    "Deep Flayed Mares" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]... Gags <[email protected]_ozemail.com.au> wrote in
    message news:[email protected]...
    > Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I have been on
    > foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard of there being a pursuit by bike
    > cops of another cyclist who has committed a traffic offence?

    I have thought about that a bit. I know 3 of the bike cops in Melbourne, and they are all very fit.
    Whether or not I could beat them in a mad sprint through the city is something I'd love to try out
    without fear of being thrown into a cell afterwards!
    ---
    DFM
     
  7. They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too sometimes, so I wont say
    anything bad about it. It's the riders choice. Don't know of anyone who has ever been booked.
    ---
    DFM

    roofi <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Ask your bike cop mates if they ever run reds.....
    >
    > I saw a pair of them run the lights at the back of the casino one arvo.
    >
    > Makes a mockery of their policing on Beach Rd. (even though I agree with
    it)
    >
    >
    >
    > "Deep Flayed Mares" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]... Gags <[email protected]_ozemail.com.au> wrote in
    > message news:[email protected]...
    > > Have seen a few of these getting around in Melbourne but only when I
    have
    > > been on foot..........Thought came to mind.......has anyone ever heard
    of
    > > there being a pursuit by bike cops of another cyclist who has committed
    a
    > > traffic offence?
    >
    > I have thought about that a bit. I know 3 of the bike cops in Melbourne,
    and
    > they are all very fit. Whether or not I could beat them in a mad sprint through the city is
    > something I'd love to try out without fear of being thrown into a cell afterwards!
    > ---
    > DFM
     
  8. Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
    > They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too sometimes, so I wont say
    > anything bad about it. It's the riders choice. Don't know of anyone who has ever been booked.
    > ---
    > DFM
    In Sydney one afternoon I was booked for running a red light, riding the wrong way up a one way
    street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a helmet. He was also going to book me for not having
    reflectors or a bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta love those
    crackdowns!

    - LB
     
  9. robroy

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    It would be interesting to see if they really took up pursuit. Im kinda guessing that the boyz in blue would call it quits after a few blocks if there was no chance of catching the cycling fugitive.:D

    By law the running of red lights can only be done by emergency vehicles when using their siren, bell or horn......dont know if that would include officers on their bikes but I cant see why not.

    I see you were going to get with a hamburger with the lot DFM good job he left out the pickles
     
  10. Luther Blissett <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
    > > They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too sometimes, so I wont say
    > > anything bad about it. It's the riders choice. Don't know of anyone who has ever been booked.
    > > ---
    > > DFM
    > In Sydney one afternoon I was booked for running a red light, riding the wrong way up a one way
    > street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a helmet. He was also going to book me for not having
    > reflectors or a bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta love those
    > crackdowns!

    *whoosh*

    That's the sound of 'em throwing the book at ya!

    What sort of fine/community service did you get?
    ---
    DFM
     
  11. Andrew Swan wrote:
    >
    > David Bailey wrote:
    > > Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the standards board it
    > > is not required for you to fit these items.
    > >
    > You're required to have them on your bike - who might have fitted or removed them is irrelevant.

    Since when? (serious, not sarcastic) I thought that only applied if you were riding of a night time?

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  12. David Bailey

    David Bailey Guest

    riding the
    > wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a helmet. He was also going to
    > book me for not having reflectors or a bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling
    > generous. Gotta love those crackdowns!
    >
    > - LB
    A cyclist is allowed to travel the wrong way up a one way street provided it is done with care,
    don't be threated by breaking the laws of cars not bikes. Also bikes are required to be
    supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the standards board it is not required for you to fit
    these items.
     
  13. Deep Flayed Mares wrote: *snip*

    > What sort of fine/community service did you get?
    > ---
    > DFM

    I just put it on the tab until I had around $1500 worth of fines, then I worked it off doing
    community service at Reverse Garbage amongst other places. It was about 97/98, I think the rate was
    about $12/hr payback, but my memory is very unreliable.

    I thought it was kind of funny that I couldn't renew my car rego (thus forced to ride bike more
    often) because of fines I acrued as a bike courier!

    - LB
     
  14. David Bailey wrote: *snip*

    > Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the standards board it is
    > not required for you to fit these items.

    My bike (Cannondale MTB) was imported on order from US and for some reason never came with a bell or
    reflectors. Seven years later I still haven't got around to fitting any! :(
     
  15. Andrew Swan

    Andrew Swan Guest

    Deep Flayed Mares wrote:
    > They aint my mates, and yeah, they probably run red lights. I do too sometimes, so I wont say
    > anything bad about it. It's the riders choice.

    It's the rider's choice whether to run them or not, but they need to realise that the impact affects
    ALL cyclists (see thread about red lights).

    &roo
     
  16. Arpit

    Arpit Guest

    On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:24:19 GMT, "David Bailey" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >riding the
    >> wrong way up a one way street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a helmet. He was also going to
    >> book me for not having reflectors or a bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling
    >> generous. Gotta love those crackdowns!
    >>
    >> - LB
    >A cyclist is allowed to travel the wrong way up a one way street provided it is done with care,
    >don't be threated by breaking the laws of cars not bikes. Also bikes are required to be
    >supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the standards board it is not required for you to fit
    >these items.
    >
    Its up to you to make sure they stay on though.
     
  17. Andrew Swan

    Andrew Swan Guest

    David Bailey wrote:
    > Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the standards board it is
    > not required for you to fit these items.
    >
    You're required to have them on your bike - who might have fitted or removed them is irrelevant.

    &roo
     
  18. Andrew Swan

    Andrew Swan Guest

    Luther Blissett wrote:
    > In Sydney one afternoon I was booked for running a red light, riding the wrong way up a one way
    > street, riding on the footpath, not wearing a helmet. He was also going to book me for not having
    > reflectors or a bell, but let me off those two because he was feeling generous. Gotta love those
    > crackdowns!
    >
    > - LB

    How could he book you for riding the wrong way on a one-way street AND riding on the footpath?
    Surely it *doesn't matter* which way you're going if you're on the footpath? Unless the footpath was
    one-way as well?

    Anyway, did the fine change your behaviour (just interested)?

    &roo
     
  19. Andrew Swan

    Andrew Swan Guest

    Terry Collins wrote:
    > Andrew Swan wrote:
    >
    >>David Bailey wrote:
    >>
    >>>Also bikes are required to be supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the standards board it is
    >>>not required for you to fit these items.
    >>>
    >>
    >>You're required to have them on your bike - who might have fitted or removed them is irrelevant.
    >
    >
    > Since when? (serious, not sarcastic) I thought that only applied if you were riding of a
    > night time?
    >

    You're right about the reflector, but the bell is for daytime as well. See:

    http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/trafficinformation/bicycles/makingitsafertocycle/bicyclesafety/cycling-
    rules.html

    Relevant extract below:

    --------------------------------------------------------
    To be a legal road vehicle during the day, a bicycle must have:

    * At least one working brake (by AS: hippy, take note re track bike!)
    * Either a bell or horn fitted to the bike, within easy reach and in working order

    To be a legal road vehicle at night, a bicycle must also have :

    * Lights fitted and in use when riding at night - a steady or flashing white light that is
    clearly visible for at least 200 metres and a flashing or steady red light that is clearly
    visible for at least 200 metres from the rear of the bike
    * red rear reflector that is clearly visible for 50 metres when light is projected onto it by a
    vehicle's headlight on low beam
    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    I don't see why the 50m reflector is required if there's a 200m light. Nobody's going to see my rear
    reflector before my rear light (the mega-bright Cateye type, which should come with an OH&S warning)

    &roo
     
  20. Al User

    Al User Guest

    David Bailey wrote:
    >
    > A cyclist is allowed to travel the wrong way up a one way street provided it is done with care,
    > don't be threated by breaking the laws of cars not bikes. Also bikes are required to be
    > supplied/sold with reflectors and bell by the standards board it is not required for you to fit
    > these items.

    Not sure which state you're from, but that is not so according to Vic law

    Victoria Government Gazette P 2 28 October 1999 191 Rule 19. *References to driver includes rider
    etc.* Unless otherwise expressly stated in the Road Rules, each reference in the Road Rules (except
    in this Division) to a driver includes a reference to a rider, and each reference in the Road Rules
    (except in this Division) to driving includes a reference to riding.

    Rule 98. One-way signs
    (1) A *driver* must not drive on a length of road to which a one-way sign applies except in the
    direction indicated by the arrow on the sign.

    Also, here in Vic. the bell or similar is required.

    PART 15—ADDITIONAL RULES FOR BICYCLE RIDERS Rule 258. Equipment on a bicycle A person must not ride
    a bicycle that does not have—
    (a) at least 1 effective brake; and
    (b) *a bell, horn, or similar warning device, in working order.*

    Rgds Al
     
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