Bike hand pumps

[Mark]

Hi guys, I need some advice on a pump that I can carry on my bike.
Is a guage necessary? I do have a good foot pump with guage?
I saw a carbon pump (CarbOne) on www.ProBikeKit.com for about $50.00
delivered, how does this compare to LBS prices and is it better to just get
an alloy pump instead of carbon?

Thanks guys.

 

[Euan]

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark <[email protected]> writes:

Mark> Hi guys, I need some advice on a pump that I can carry on my
Mark> bike. Is a guage necessary? I do have a good foot pump with
Mark> guage? I saw a carbon pump (CarbOne) on www.ProBikeKit.com
Mark> for about $50.00 delivered, how does this compare to LBS
Mark> prices and is it better to just get an alloy pump instead of
Mark> carbon?

I guess it depends on what you want out of the pump you're carrying with
you. Do you want one that will get your tire back up to optimal
pressure, or are you satisfied with sub-optimal pressure which will at
least get you home?

I use a Topeak Road Morph and while it's a bit big for the weight
conscious I reckon it's worth it. Riding 300kms a week, much of it in
urban condition, I get far too many punctures and the ability to pump my
tires back to 120 at the side of the road is very nice.

Identify your priorities and the rest should take care of itself.
--
Cheers | ~~ __@
Euan | ~~ _-\<,
Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*)

 

[suzyj]

Euan wrote:

> I guess it depends on what you want out of the pump you're
> carrying with you.

I always used to carry a Zefal HP-X on the bike - a thumping big I can inflate anything pump. Recently though, I've taken to carrying a teensy little Topeak Pocket Rocket DX pump in my jersey pocket. It's purely for looks only. I know full well that when I get a flat, it'll be a complete failure, but it reassures me anyway. Hopefully when I do get a puncture (haven't had one in ages), I'll be with someone who's got a real pump.

Regards,

Suzy

 

[DeF]

suzyj wrote:
> Euan wrote:
>
>> I guess it depends on what you want out of the pump you're
>> carrying with you.
>
> I always used to carry a Zefal HP-X on the bike - a thumping big I can
> inflate anything pump. Recently though, I've taken to carrying a
> teensy little Topeak Pocket Rocket DX pump in my jersey pocket. It's
> purely for looks only. I know full well that when I get a flat, it'll
> be a complete failure, but it reassures me anyway. Hopefully when I do
> get a puncture (haven't had one in ages), I'll be with someone who's got
> a real pump.
>
> Regards,
>
> Suzy
>
>
For a while, I carried a little "sapo" pump:
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=A1045
Sure enough, after about an hour on the Munda Biddi
here in Perth, I got a flat (on the short sealed
section, natch). The thing was bloody useless.
I couldn't get it to seal around the valve.
Fortunately, my cycling companion had a pump,
a chrome plated Blumels steel model, complete with
floppy connector. Any other time someone, I would
have laughed if someone pulled one of these things
but it saved the bike ride.

Speaking of Munda Biddi, we're doing some more this
weekend - thunder, rain, lightening and 35 deg forecast.
Perfect cycling and camping weather.

DeF

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[Euan]

>>>>> "suzyj" == suzyj <[email protected]> writes:


suzyj> Hopefully when I do get a puncture (haven't had one in ages),

Arrrggghhhh, you've just summoned the puncture fairies!!!!
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[till!]

The crank brothers ones look pretty sweet, anyone got one? I saw em on ebay for ok money. The ebay seller geargurl is in fact the same bunch at 3ringcycles.com and they have good aus shipping.

till

 

[jim]

I've done THE road-test on this ... the slow and painfully expensive way. I
have a Surface track pump at home (v.good) and four mini pumps

- Three of them are dripping with innovations and design quirks - and
(consequently?) are totally crud in the fit-for-purpose stakes!!!!! Topeak,
Rav-X and another that escapes me at the moment.

- I am now using a Genuine Innovations mini pump and have been very
impressed. It will easily get to 100+psi - easily adequate to cart home
even at my 90kg robustness. The seal on the valve (where others have proven
wanting) is great. It has not been 'finessed' with unnecessary tweakery.
It has a hollow handle to store glueless patches. The one possible drawback
is that it sacrifices cylinder width for length and, being longer than the
average mini, may drop out of shallow jersey pockets - although I have not
had this happen yet.



"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi guys, I need some advice on a pump that I can carry on my bike.
> Is a guage necessary? I do have a good foot pump with guage?
> I saw a carbon pump (CarbOne) on www.ProBikeKit.com for about $50.00
> delivered, how does this compare to LBS prices and is it better to just
> get an alloy pump instead of carbon?
>
> Thanks guys.
>

 

[hgoh]

jim wrote:
> <snipped>
>
> - I am now using a Genuine Innovations mini pump and have been very
> impressed. It will easily get to 100+psi - easily adequate to cart home
> even at my 90kg robustness. The seal on the valve (where others have proven
> wanting) is great. It has not been 'finessed' with unnecessary tweakery.
> It has a hollow handle to store glueless patches. The one possible drawback
> is that it sacrifices cylinder width for length and, being longer than the
> average mini, may drop out of shallow jersey pockets - although I have not
> had this happen yet.
> <snipped>

Is this the Genuine Innovations "Road Air" pump? There isn't even any
info about it on their website but I saw it in the LBS and thought it
looked like good value - solid construction and not very expensive.
I've heard that "long and thin" will get to 100+psi much more easily
than "short and stumpy" so I was thinking of trying this pump out.

 

[DeF]

hgoh wrote:
> jim wrote:
>> <snipped>
>>
>> - I am now using a Genuine Innovations mini pump and have been very
>> impressed. It will easily get to 100+psi - easily adequate to cart home
>> even at my 90kg robustness. The seal on the valve (where others have proven
>> wanting) is great. It has not been 'finessed' with unnecessary tweakery.
>> It has a hollow handle to store glueless patches. The one possible drawback
>> is that it sacrifices cylinder width for length and, being longer than the
>> average mini, may drop out of shallow jersey pockets - although I have not
>> had this happen yet.
>> <snipped>
>
> Is this the Genuine Innovations "Road Air" pump? There isn't even any
> info about it on their website but I saw it in the LBS and thought it
> looked like good value - solid construction and not very expensive.
> I've heard that "long and thin" will get to 100+psi much more easily
> than "short and stumpy" so I was thinking of trying this pump out.
>

"Long and thin" will get the higher pressure. Pressure = force/area
and the force is the maximum you can push. Thus, smaller area (ie
a thinner pump) will give you a higher pressure. The trade off is
that the volume of air you pump is smaller. This can be an issue
with MTB tires, not so much with 23mm 700c tires.

I've got thin pumps on my road bikes and a double action, slightly
wider pump on my MTB/Commuter bike. Can't remember any of the
brands at the moment...

DeF.

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[jim]

Yes to Road Air

"hgoh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> jim wrote:
>> <snipped>
>>
>> - I am now using a Genuine Innovations mini pump and have been very
>> impressed. It will easily get to 100+psi - easily adequate to cart home
>> even at my 90kg robustness. The seal on the valve (where others have
>> proven
>> wanting) is great. It has not been 'finessed' with unnecessary tweakery.
>> It has a hollow handle to store glueless patches. The one possible
>> drawback
>> is that it sacrifices cylinder width for length and, being longer than
>> the
>> average mini, may drop out of shallow jersey pockets - although I have
>> not
>> had this happen yet.
>> <snipped>
>
> Is this the Genuine Innovations "Road Air" pump? There isn't even any
> info about it on their website but I saw it in the LBS and thought it
> looked like good value - solid construction and not very expensive.
> I've heard that "long and thin" will get to 100+psi much more easily
> than "short and stumpy" so I was thinking of trying this pump out.
>

 

[HughMann]

Hi guys, I need some advice on a pump that I can carry on my bike.
Is a guage necessary? I do have a good foot pump with guage?
I saw a carbon pump (CarbOne) on www.ProBikeKit.com for about $50.00
delivered, how does this compare to LBS prices and is it better to just get
an alloy pump instead of carbon?

Thanks guys.

Gauge not necessary. Pump till tyre hard to squeeze. Can always put more in if soft to ride. Personally wouldnt bother with carbon. Weight diff is about 2 gulps of water.

Bought a "Serfas Grifter Mini Foot Pump" from Cecil Walker about a year ago on recomendation from this group. Very good pump, fold out piece to stand on, fold out hand grip and a hidden 100mm air hose so less risk of damaging presta valves. Its light and has a good holder that fits under bottle cage screws.

Currently not listed at CW but Google the Web and you will see plenty of references.

Cheers
Hugh

 

[scotty72]

Hi guys, I need some advice on a pump that I can carry on my bike.
Is a guage necessary? I do have a good foot pump with guage?
I saw a carbon pump (CarbOne) on www.ProBikeKit.com for about $50.00
delivered, how does this compare to LBS prices and is it better to just get
an alloy pump instead of carbon?

Thanks guys.

I use and love this
http://www.quickex.com/
(click Quicker Pro Stationary)

It makes it V easy to get up to 100 psi (as far as I go).

Even my wife can do it fairly easily

Scotty

 

[Resound]

I am now using a Genuine Innovations mini pump and have been very
impressed. It will easily get to 100+psi - easily adequate to cart home
even at my 90kg robustness. The seal on the valve (where others have proven
wanting) is great. It has not been 'finessed' with unnecessary tweakery.
It has a hollow handle to store glueless patches. The one possible drawback
is that it sacrifices cylinder width for length and, being longer than the
average mini, may drop out of shallow jersey pockets - although I have not
had this happen yet.

>[/color]

I was eyeing a Genuine Innovations floor pump at the LBS yesterday. I really need a proper pump at home. I know this has been thrown around before, but I'm going to bring it up again. Silca? Genuine Innovations? What's worth the dollars?

 

[Terry Collins]

Mark wrote:
> Hi guys, I need some advice on a pump that I can carry on my bike.

Where do you want to carry it?
And what do you do with your bike?

FWIIW, I have a Zefal hi-pressure pump that goes under the top tube.
Really great for gwetting the tyre back up to 100psi out on the road.
Major PITA as I rum 2.25": tyres atm, and it is a thin model.

The problem with the under top tube position is when you want to carry
your bike up a slope, e.g. creek bank, or sling it over a gate.


> Is a guage necessary? I do have a good foot pump with guage?

No, you can learn to estimate your tyre pressure by pumping up your tyre
and testing with thumb or bouncing the wheel/bike.

Eventually, you'll also learn to equate number of hand pump strokes with
pressure.


> I saw a carbon pump (CarbOne) on www.ProBikeKit.com for about $50.00
> delivered, how does this compare to LBS prices and is it better to just get
> an alloy pump instead of carbon?

Just buy a good quality steel pump.

 

[Resound]

"Terry Collins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Mark wrote:
>> Hi guys, I need some advice on a pump that I can carry on my bike.
>
> Where do you want to carry it?
> And what do you do with your bike?
>
> FWIIW, I have a Zefal hi-pressure pump that goes under the top tube.
> Really great for gwetting the tyre back up to 100psi out on the road.
> Major PITA as I rum 2.25": tyres atm, and it is a thin model.

<snippage>

You run 100psi in 2¼" tyre? Which tyres are they?

 

[Terry Collins]

Resound wrote:
> "Terry Collins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:438855d9$0$13314$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>
>>Mark wrote:
>>
>>>Hi guys, I need some advice on a pump that I can carry on my bike.
>>
>>Where do you want to carry it?
>>And what do you do with your bike?
>>
>>FWIIW, I have a Zefal hi-pressure pump that goes under the top tube.
>>Really great for gwetting the tyre back up to 100psi out on the road.
>>Major PITA as I rum 2.25": tyres atm, and it is a thin model.
>
>
> <snippage>
>
> You run 100psi in 2¼" tyre? Which tyres are they?

Naah, I've always ran 100psi in 1.25" which was when I had the floor
pump working. The hand pump would bring they res back up to that on the
road if needed.

when I shifted to the mtb, I originally started the 1.75" at 100 psi.
Now I settle for rock hard because the floor pump broke

Cheng Shing/Sheng. I'll check. LBS cheapies.

Actually it does vary with the 2.25" between "woops -too soft and my
arms are too tired from pumping.

The trick with fatties at high pressure is to make absolutely sure that
tyre is seated on rim very evenly and stays that way as you pump it. If
it shifts, then your stuffed and you need to deflate and start again.



Which reminds me that I still have to fix the floor pump. Base broke and
it isn't weldable (too much funny metal), so I have to make a
replacement base plate. Hmm, do I wannna do this as a rainy day project.
Naah.

 

[jim]

"Terry Collins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Just buy a good quality steel pump.

I have found that it is not the material that the cylinder is made of that
makes a pump fit-for-purpose but how tight the fits on the valve shank is

Also needs to be light - so surely steel is contraindicated?

 

[Terry Collins]

Resound wrote:
> "Terry Collins" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> You run 100psi in 2¼" tyre? Which tyres are they?

Okay, update as I fixed the Silca pump and used it on the bike.

Oh dear, I've been shop slothing at ~15psi according to pump gauge.

So I pumped the tyre to 55psi.
They are an IRC MTB Super 8 from what I can read.
Says inflate 40-50 which is harder than my firm finger test.
So, I can safely say that I've never had these anywhere near 100 psi.

but the pump says Zefal - HP and it easily does 100 psi into 1.25" tubes.

OTOH, if you have big pecks and want a workout, you might look at the
Zefal -MTB. (Volume, but no pressure)

 

[Terry Collins]

jim wrote:
> "Terry Collins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:438855d9$0$13314$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>
>>Just buy a good quality steel pump.
>
>
> I have found that it is not the material that the cylinder is made of that
> makes a pump fit-for-purpose but how tight the fits on the valve shank is
>
> Also needs to be light - so surely steel is contraindicated?

YMMV. I feel that a cylinder of thin wall steel is better at resisting
kinking that a cylinder of thin walled aluminium.

I doubt if there is significant weight difference between an aluminium
pump and a steel pump anyway.

Anyway, my Zefal-HP has;
aluminium outer body,
steel inner shaft,
steel springs
plastic grip
plastic guides
"alloy" (hi magnesium?) moudled valve fitting and lever
plastic "bolt" and,
rubber washer.

 

[[email protected]]

scotty72 wrote:
> Mark Wrote:
> > Hi guys, I need some advice on a pump that I can carry on my bike.
> > Is a guage necessary? I do have a good foot pump with guage?
> > I saw a carbon pump (CarbOne) on 'www.ProBikeKit.com'
> > (http://www.probikekit.com/) for about $50.00
> > delivered, how does this compare to LBS prices and is it better to just
> > get
> > an alloy pump instead of carbon?
> >
> > Thanks guys.
> I use and love this
> http://www.quickex.com/
> (click Quicker Pro Stationary)
>
> It makes it V easy to get up to 100 psi (as far as I go).
>
> Even my wife can do it fairly easily

Hey, cool! Looks kinda dorky, but it could work.

How reliable is it -- how long have you had it so far?

Much of a pain to transplant onto different bikes?

Is the mounting solid?

I might be after one of these -- another flat this morning, from a
broken valve stem. Possibly because it was the spare in my saddle bag
fo however months, or possibly because of the way I have to force the
damn pump I already have -- wouldn't mind getting something with a
retractable tube.

Posting from google froups because I seem to have b0rked the internet
again.

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TimC
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