Froze - unlike you PansyBob doesn't live in Marin and own more in his house than most people make in a lifetime. He is a jackass but he probably isn't a racist left winger who believes entirely that the poor black isn't a real man and hence needs a boost up by a real man - a white Democrat.I can't understand is why Tom thinks that Bob needs to buy a TI bike, the discussion isn't about Bob buying or owning a TI bike, the subject was Tom's denial of hydro-formed TI tubes, not about whether or not Bob owns one, owning a TI bike doesn't make you the grand master of TI knowledge, get a grip Tom, and while you're at it learn something for once so you don't sound like a blooming idiot all the time.
I have new title for Tom...the undisputed champion of idiocracy! Hail to the champion.
PansyBob doesn't own a good bike because he cannot afford to buy a good bike. And despite his crying about that it doesn't matter since the difference between a "good" bike and a fair one is almost indistinguishable.
I picked my Gary Fisher HiFi up from a guy like you - he bought it because it was the most expensive bike in the shop, rode it across the street from his home, hit a curb and fell down and never rode again. So I got a new bike at 25% of what he paid for it. PansyBob will no doubt find a deal like that sooner or later.
We've seen your limits of knowledge - what you can find on the Internet that agrees with your opinion that was settled before you started looking.
Why don't you tell us again about helmets saving 85% more lives when the ratio of pedestrian fatalities to bicycle fatalities has remained static since before helmets were invented to this very day.