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Wayne Pein
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> Wayne Pein wrote:
>
>>Bill Sornson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Wayne Pein wrote: {SANITY SNIP}
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You obviously have zero experience with a wide outside lane, so you
>>>>shouldn't guess about how traffic uses it. You're wrong. And if you
>>>>did have experience with one, you would understand why they are
>>>>superior to bike lanes.
>
>
>
>>>Completely false. One road I take often (to get to decent roads)
>>>has a narrow left lane, wide right with cars parked on side. It's a
>>>freaking death trap for cyclists -- brushed to the left, doored to
>>>the right. *I DO TAKE THE LANE*, but I still get passed way too
>>>close for comfort almost every single time. (And a friend -- very
>>>experienced rider -- did get doored along there a year or so ago. Took
>>>him quite a while to ride it after that, too.)
>>
>>What you say doesn't make sense. I'd love to see a picture of this
>>road with actual width dimensions. How can one be brushed to the left
>>and doored to the right? Is the available space 2' wide?
>
>
> It's a typical road -- 4 lanes with parking on both sides and a median in
> the middle. No bike lane; can't recall off-hand whether there's a white
> line for the parking zone, but it doesn't matter. Fast traffic. Limit 35
> or 40; cars go 50+ all the time. (See below for further explanation; missed
> the "wide lane" descriptor.)
I ride on a similar road everyday, except there is no parking. Cars may
do 50, but generally not in my presence. They slow down and move over.
>
> If I stay out of the door zone I'm far enough in the right lane to make cars
> cross the lane line (barely) to pass me with ample room. Some drivers
> REFUSE to cross that sacrosanct line, and so pass way too close for comfort.
> If I move farther left to really take the lane, I run the risk of being hit
> (less likely of course) or brushed (often on purpose by idiots who can't
> figure out why I'm out there; or by bad drivers who come right up behind me
> and then suddenly see that they have to move over to get by).
>
> My POINT is that these types of roads are stressful to ride compared to
> identical roads that provide bike lanes.
And MY point is that wide lanes are less stressful to ride.
>
> I also forgot that I'm not supposed to bite on your trolling any more. My
> double bad.
>
Just because you don't like or understand what I say doesn't mean my
posts are trolling. But if I do troll, I hope you don't bite because
arguing with you is like, as Dilbert put it, wallpapering fog.
Wayne
> Wayne Pein wrote:
>
>>Bill Sornson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Wayne Pein wrote: {SANITY SNIP}
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You obviously have zero experience with a wide outside lane, so you
>>>>shouldn't guess about how traffic uses it. You're wrong. And if you
>>>>did have experience with one, you would understand why they are
>>>>superior to bike lanes.
>
>
>
>>>Completely false. One road I take often (to get to decent roads)
>>>has a narrow left lane, wide right with cars parked on side. It's a
>>>freaking death trap for cyclists -- brushed to the left, doored to
>>>the right. *I DO TAKE THE LANE*, but I still get passed way too
>>>close for comfort almost every single time. (And a friend -- very
>>>experienced rider -- did get doored along there a year or so ago. Took
>>>him quite a while to ride it after that, too.)
>>
>>What you say doesn't make sense. I'd love to see a picture of this
>>road with actual width dimensions. How can one be brushed to the left
>>and doored to the right? Is the available space 2' wide?
>
>
> It's a typical road -- 4 lanes with parking on both sides and a median in
> the middle. No bike lane; can't recall off-hand whether there's a white
> line for the parking zone, but it doesn't matter. Fast traffic. Limit 35
> or 40; cars go 50+ all the time. (See below for further explanation; missed
> the "wide lane" descriptor.)
I ride on a similar road everyday, except there is no parking. Cars may
do 50, but generally not in my presence. They slow down and move over.
>
> If I stay out of the door zone I'm far enough in the right lane to make cars
> cross the lane line (barely) to pass me with ample room. Some drivers
> REFUSE to cross that sacrosanct line, and so pass way too close for comfort.
> If I move farther left to really take the lane, I run the risk of being hit
> (less likely of course) or brushed (often on purpose by idiots who can't
> figure out why I'm out there; or by bad drivers who come right up behind me
> and then suddenly see that they have to move over to get by).
>
> My POINT is that these types of roads are stressful to ride compared to
> identical roads that provide bike lanes.
And MY point is that wide lanes are less stressful to ride.
>
> I also forgot that I'm not supposed to bite on your trolling any more. My
> double bad.
>
Just because you don't like or understand what I say doesn't mean my
posts are trolling. But if I do troll, I hope you don't bite because
arguing with you is like, as Dilbert put it, wallpapering fog.
Wayne