Quote by Froze:
"CampyBob, you sound like you have an axe to grind with Cycleops, spill the beans man."
Nope. I have no axe to grind. You must have missed the part where I stated I was very close to purchasing a CycleOps fluid trainer. Their design is solid. I also clearly stated it was a top quality unit, the same as Kurt. Learn to read the words and less of the trying to read what isn't there into them.
"On one hand you say a lifetime warranty is useless with CycleOps and 1UP but not so with Kurt...that's BS."
I never said that CycleOps warranty was useless. I KNOW Kurt backs theirs up from experience. I said that I hope CycleOps and 1UP back their products up as well as Kurt and the we, as consumers, deserve nothing less. You somehow read that as a slight towards CO's and 1UP??? Please read the actual words I typed and put less effort trying to read something into them that is not there.
"When Cycleops patented the resistance fluid method for trainers they had some problems with leakage from seals failing due to heat generated, and CycleOps replaced all those units as they failed with no questions asked or any money exchanged, and replaced it with an improved version that has never leaked and cost more than the original version."
That's the least they could do after selling an obviously defective and poorly tested design. I'm glad to hear they stood behind their failure and turned it into a success.
"All Kurt did was copy cat the device that CycleOps first patented back in 1997."
Kurt, prior to 2000, built trainers sold by competitors. CO's is based out of Wisc. Kurt, at the time, was based out of Mn. It's not only possible, but likely, that Kurt was involved in building some or all of CO's trainers. And as far as copycat'ing goes, it would be impossible to copy a patented design or the lawyers would have a field day.
Kurt was the first company to offer a 'leakless' design sealed fluid unit, if the web history is to be believed. So, did CO's copy what Kurt did with their sealed, magnetically coupled fluid unit?
Again, I have no axe to grind in this discussion. Both CO's and Kurt offer good quality fluid trainers today. And for the last time I will state that it is the design of the 1UP unit that I, personally, do not care for. Not their warranty or how well they address warranty issues.
I do appreciate the fact that Kurt trainers can be used with my track bikes. It appears that CO's trainers do not accept 120 MM hub spacing. That's probably not a deal breaker for most potential purchasers, but it was one of several factors in my decision to go with Kurt's Road Machine 2.