It's a time now to be "politically correct". "Christian valuables" are vanishing under pressure of
multicultural and multireligional global people migration. So, no Europe no USA anymore "Christian"
or "Muslim". Polititians claims it to be "home for all".
"David Trudgett" <
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> Hi Theo,
>
> > "David Trudgett" wrote
> >
> > > Another proof can easily be seen in conscription laws. Because I am Christian, I will refuse
> > > to be conscripted under any circumstances whatsoever.
> >
> > I also refuse to be conscripted but I'm an atheist.
>
> You are 100% right! I didn't mean to imply that it is necessary to be a Christian, nor even a
> theist, to refuse to be conscripted. In fact, even if I were not a Christian, I would remain
> absolutely opposed to conscription on grounds that have nothing to do with Christianity or God
> as such.
>
> Actually, I'm very pleased that you made that point, because it is a curious fact many atheists,
> such as yourself, are opposed [1] to conscription, whereas many so-called "Christians" are quite
> prepared to be conscripted and to murder men, women and children they have never seen before.
> Furthermore, people who one would be forgiven for mistaking as Christian, people who I know
> personally, and who seem to be otherwise very decent people, have lent their moral support to the
> bombing, invasion and occupation of both Iraq and Afghanistan. These people claim to be Christian,
> yet it is clear that they are not. It is clear that they are not because of the answer to this
> very simple question: "Who would Jesus bomb?"
>
> It can be argued that the Christian who declines to attend church on the sabbath, who eats meat on
> Fridays or during Lent, who doesn't believe in the virgin birth, and who has been known to get
> sloshed down the pub, is still a Christian nevertheless, but simply an imperfect one. On the other
> hand, the person who would take a gun and shoot any person indicated by his commanding officer,
> can in no way claim to be Christian. It's sort of a fundamental conflict, like saying that black
> is really white, for very small values of white. And so it is also with those who advocate or
> condone the mass slaughter of men, women and children that has occurred in Afghanistan, and in
> Iraq for the last twelve years [2].
>
> I'm not saying that these "Christians" are "evil" people, or even (knowing) hypocrites. Many of
> them sincerely believe that murder is a necessary part of Christianity, given an appropriate set
> of circumstances. Many of them have even convinced themselves that a soldier does not commit
> murder when he kills the designated "enemy". (It is this spurious belief, among many, that Tolstoy
> demolishes once and for all in "The Kingdom of God is Within You".)
>
> So we have the irony of ironies: the Christian who is prepared to murder strangers, and the
> atheist who refuses to have anything to do with it.
>
>
> >
> > > Not only do Christians recognise no authority but God's
> >
> > You should go and live in God's country.
>
> Sure!
Got a map? ;-)
>
>
> >
> > > it is quite plainly obvious after less than a moment's thought that murder and Christianity
> > > are mutually incompatible.
> >
> > Have you watched the current series on Foxtel Ch 19 about the Crusades. "Killing for God".
>
> No, I haven't seen that particular series, but yes, I know as much as I need to know about the
> Crusades. It is deeply shameful for the "Christian" Churches to reflect on how much evil they have
> perpetrated in God's name. Notice the scare quotes, though. That should tell you something.
>
> To anyone who has read the gospels with anything like an open mind, it should be plain that no
> mainstream "Christian" Church has been in actual fact Christian in anything but name. One cannot
> be reading the beatitudes in Matthew 5 one moment, and then plunging a sword through Muslims the
> next. It just doesn't add up. The only possible explanation is that the so-called "Christian"
> Churches are not in fact Christian at all, but something else.
>
> Does anyone but George W himself reckon he's a Christian? Same goes for our own war criminal at
> home for that matter. I wonder where Bush and Howard keep their bloodied swords? That much hasn't
> changed over the ages, has it?
>
>
> Anyway, this has drifted a bit from bicycles. I went for a ride to the beach the other day (about
> 15.5km each way to this particular beach). It was about four in the afternoon when I got there,
> sun shining, slight breeze. Beautiful. Went for a dip for fifteen minutes or so (plenty of time to
> get numb!). Very invigorating the water is at this time of year!
>
> Phew, on topic again...
>
> Catchya.
>
> David
>
>
> [1] I'm assuming here that it's not simply that you're a coward, or flat footed, or something...
>
> [2] Many people don't know that the US and UK, through their manipulation of the UN, deliberately
> brought about the deaths of over 600,000 Iraqi children under the age of five through their
> genocidal sanctions regime called "Oil for Food", over which the senior UN official in charge
> of the programme resigned in protest.
>
> --
>
> Only let men cease to be hypocrites, and they would at once see that this cruel social
> organization, which holds them in bondage, and is represented to them as something stable,
> necessary, and ordained of God, is already tottering and is only propped up by the falsehood of
> hypocrisy, with which we, and others like us, support it.
>
> -- Leo Tolstoy, "The Kingdom of God is Within You"
