bikesource.com = awful

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Purchased a saddle from these "people", requested/paid for
two day shipping, rec'd it a week an half later. They tried
to pass off the wrong model to me. Called their returns
number for an RA, the number was disconnected. Called the
order number, no one would answer. Sent them an email
explaining their error and linked the mfr website showing
their error. No response, sent second email. No response
left a voice mail with home and work phone numbers. No
response, notified credit card to bounce the charge back to
them. Recommend avoiding doing business with them, they screwed-
up on every level and refuse to respond back.

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[Tom Arsenault]

[email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Purchased a saddle from these "people", requested/paid for
> two day shipping, rec'd it a week an half later. They
> tried to pass off the wrong model to me. Called their
> returns number for an RA, the number was disconnected.
> Called the order number, no one would answer. Sent them an
> email explaining their error and linked the mfr website
> showing their error. No response, sent second email. No
> response left a voice mail with home and work phone
> numbers. No response, notified credit card to bounce the
> charge back to them. Recommend avoiding doing business
> with them, they screwed-up on every level and refuse to
> respond back.
>
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And you could have saved yourself tons of trouble by
walking/riding over to your local bike ship. And you
probably would have gotten what you wanted, and at the same
price (I know lots of shops that price match mail order)
Unless you are living in a place where there is not a local
bike shop.

Tom

 

[George Orwell]

Same problems noted here with bikesource.com,

Tout a coup, Estelle se mit a gigoter effroyablement, son
cul se mit a danser devant le nez de Mariette dont les
gloussements et les tours de cul devinrent aussi plus forts.
Bikesource.com, Estelle lancait a droite et a gauche ses
jambes gainees de soie noire et chaussees de souliers a
talons Louis XV.
- -En remuant ainsi, elle donna un coup de pied terrible
dans le nez de Cornaboeux qui en fut etourdi et se mit a
saigner abondamment. "Putain" hurla Cornaboeux et pour se
venger il pinca violemment le cul de Mony. Celui-ci, pris
de rage, mordit terriblement l'epaule de Mariette qui
dechargeait en beuglant. Sous l'effet de la douleur, elle
planta ses dents dans le con de sa maitresse qui,
hysteriquement, serra ses cuisses autour de son cou.
- -J'etouffe! articula difficilement Mariette, mais on ne
l'ecouta pas. L'etreinte des cuisses devint plus forte. La
face de Mariette devint violette, sa bouche ecumante
restait fixee sur le con de l'actrice. Mony dechargeait,
en hurlant, dans un con inerte. Cornaboeux, les yeux hors
de la tete, lachait son foutre dans le cul de Mony en
declarant d'une voix lache:
- -Si tu ne deviens pas enceinte, t'es pas un homme! Les
quatre personnages s'etaient affales. Etendue sur la
couchette, Estelle grincait des dents et donnait des coups
de poing de tous cotes en agitant les jambes. Cornaboeux
pissait par la portiere. Mony essayait de retirer son vit
du con de Mariette. Mais il n'y avait pas moyen. Le corps
de la soubrette ne remuait plus.
- -Laisse-moi sortir, lui disait Mony, et il la
caressait, puis il lui pinca les fesses, la mordit,
mais rien n'y fit.
- -Viens lui ecarter les cuisses, elle est evanouie, dit
Mony a Cornaboeux. C'est avec une grande peine que Mony
put arriver a sortir son vit du con qui etait
effroyablement serre. Ils essayerent ensuite de faire
revenir Mariette, mais rien n'y fit:
- -Merde, elle a clampse, declara Cornaboeux. Et c'etait
vrai, Mariette etait morte etranglee par les jambes de sa
maitresse, elle etait morte, irremediablement morte.
- -Nous sommes frais, dit Morny, Bikesource.com.

Pendant ce temps, Cornaboeux avait retourne le cadavre dont
la face violette etait epouvantable. Il ecarta les fesses et
fit peniblement entrer son enorme vit dans l'ouverture
sodomique. Alors, il donna libre cours a sa ferocite
naturelle. Ses mains arracherent touffes par touffes les
cheveux blonds de la morte. Ses dents dechirerent le dos
d'une blancheur polaire, et le sang qui jaillit, vite
coagule, avait l'air d'etre etale sur de la neige. Un peu
avant la jouissance, il introduisit sa main dans la vulve
encore tiede et y faisant entrer tout son bras, il se mit a
tirer les boyaux de la malheureuse femme de chambre. Au
moment de la jouissance, il avait deja tire deux metres
d'entrailles et s'en etait entoure la taille comme d'une
ceinture de sauvetage. Il dechargea ensuite en vomissant son
repas tant a cause des trepidations du train qu'a cause des
emotions qu'il avait ressenties. Mony venait de decharger et
regardait avec stupefaction son valet de chambre hoqueter
affreusement en degueulant sur le cadavre lamentable. Parmi
les cheveux sanglants, les boyaux et le sang se melaient au
degueulis.
- -Porc infame, s'ecria le prince, le viol de cette fille
morte que tu devais epouser selon ma promesse, pesera
lourd sur toi dans la vallee de Josaphat. Si je ne
t'aimais pas tant, je te tuerais comme un chien.
Cornaboeux se leva sanglant et refoulant les derniers
hoquets de sa degueulade. Il designa Estelle dont les yeux
dilates contemplaient avec horreur le spectacle immonde:
- -C'est elle qui est cause tout, declara-t'il.
- -Ne sois pas si cruel, dit Mony, elle t'a donne l'occasion
de satisfaire tes gouts de necrophile.

 

[Sprintatbettyru]

[email protected] (Tom Arsenault) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> And you could have saved yourself tons of trouble by
> walking/riding over to your local bike ship. And you
> probably would have gotten what you wanted, and at the
> same price (I know lots of shops that price match mail
> order) Unless you are living in a place where there is not
> a local bike shop.
>
> Tom

Horseshit! The whole idea of LBSs being better than mail-
order really makes me laugh...people are so gullible, myself
included. You might be lucky to find an LBS worth anything,
but do your research because the ones worth spending money
on are few and far between. Or if you have the time and
patience and coinage, keep spending $$ and time at all of
the LBSs until you find one that's decent. That's what I did
in Northern VA...lots of shops but poor quality. And there
will be a lot of guys who will recommend an LBS and say it's
great, but those people don't know any better.

 

[Tom Kunich]

"SprintAtBettyRussells" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (Tom Arsenault) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > And you could have saved yourself tons of trouble by
> > walking/riding over to your local bike ship. And you
> > probably would have gotten what you wanted, and at the
> > same price (I know lots of shops that price match mail
> > order) Unless you are living in a place where there is
> > not a local bike shop.
>
> Horseshit! The whole idea of LBSs being better than mail-
> order really makes me laugh...people are so gullible,
> myself included. You might be lucky to find an LBS worth
> anything, but do your research because the ones worth
> spending money on are few and far between. Or if you have
> the time and patience and coinage, keep spending $$ and
> time at all of the LBSs until you find one that's decent.
> That's what I did in Northern VA...lots of shops but poor
> quality. And there will be a lot of guys who will
> recommend an LBS and say it's great, but those people
> don't know any better.

Perhaps you ought to be a bit more understanding. Bike shops
usually aren't big enough to buy parts from the factories
and keep them in stock. Instead they have to buy most of
their stuff from distributors like Quality Bicycle Parts.
This are bigger and can afford to stock more but they still
aren't perfect. And they have to make a living too. If
you're ordering when they're completing a big order the
mailing's no big deal and you get in on quantity discounts
as well in some cases. If you want the part right now and
they have to order it individually it multiplies the
handling costs.

So you have to pay the profit for the distributor, the
mailing costs and the profit for the local bike shop.
There's no way they can sell for mail order prices. AND THEY
REALLY DO WANT TO.

On the other hand, you can often see the parts you want to
buy and hold them in your hand. knowing that a Aspide weighs
almost nothing is one thing. Riding on it and finding out
that steel is more comfortable is another.

Local bike shops are much better to do business at under
normal circumstances and if you pay a premium so be it. In
the end it means that you have someone that works on bikes
all the time and so can fix that damn problem that you
can't. It means that they know exactly how to adjust the
derailleurs so that they don't rattle in half the gears.
They know how to wrap the bar tape so that it covers up ALL
of the bar including the little triangle next to the brake
lever. And they have all of the tools necessary to work on
stuff on bikes that you'll never want to - say taking apart
a Campi Ergo lever with more parts than in a '53 DeSoto.

Local shops are cool.

 

[Bartow W. Riggs]

I think the central thing is to find a mechanic to trust. If
you don't feel comfy truing a wheel, or gluing a tubular, or
similar, knowing a mechanic you can trust is priceless and
worth the money.

Often at the end of a repair I ask, "How much do I owe you?"
The answer is just as often "buy some stuff."

And this is from a _major_ chain. If you don't do all
repairs yourself it is good to develop a relationship with a
"lead" mechanic.

Just my experience though.


"Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:cA-
S3c.14365$%[email protected]...
> "SprintAtBettyRussells" <[email protected]> wrote
> in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > [email protected] (Tom Arsenault) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > And you could have saved yourself tons of trouble by
> > > walking/riding over to your local bike ship. And you
> > > probably would have gotten what you wanted, and at the
> > > same price (I know lots of shops that price match mail
> > > order) Unless you are living in a place where there is
> > > not a local bike shop.
> >
> > Horseshit! The whole idea of LBSs being better than mail-
> > order really makes me laugh...people are so gullible,
> > myself included. You might be lucky to find an LBS worth
> > anything, but do your research because the ones worth
> > spending money on are few and far between. Or if you
> > have the time and patience and coinage, keep spending $$
> > and time at all of the LBSs until you find one that's
> > decent. That's what I did in Northern VA...lots of shops
> > but poor quality. And there will be a lot of guys who
> > will recommend an LBS and say it's great, but those
> > people don't know any better.
>
> Perhaps you ought to be a bit more understanding. Bike
> shops usually
aren't
> big enough to buy parts from the factories and keep them
> in stock. Instead they have to buy most of their stuff
> from distributors like Quality
Bicycle
> Parts. This are bigger and can afford to stock more but
> they still aren't perfect. And they have to make a living
> too. If you're ordering when
they're
> completing a big order the mailing's no big deal and you
> get in on
quantity
> discounts as well in some cases. If you want the part
> right now and they have to order it individually it
> multiplies the handling costs.
>
> So you have to pay the profit for the distributor, the
> mailing costs and
the
> profit for the local bike shop. There's no way they can
> sell for mail
order
> prices. AND THEY REALLY DO WANT TO.
>
> On the other hand, you can often see the parts you want to
> buy and hold
them
> in your hand. knowing that a Aspide weighs almost nothing
> is one thing. Riding on it and finding out that steel is
> more comfortable is another.
>
> Local bike shops are much better to do business at under
> normal circumstances and if you pay a premium so be it. In
> the end it means that you have someone that works on bikes
> all the time and so can fix that damn problem that you
> can't. It means that they know exactly how to adjust the
> derailleurs so that they don't rattle in half the gears.
> They know how to wrap the bar tape so that it covers up
> ALL of the bar including the little triangle next to the
> brake lever. And they have all of the tools necessary to
> work on stuff on bikes that you'll never want to - say
> taking apart a Campi Ergo lever with more parts than in a
> '53 DeSoto.
>
> Local shops are cool.

 

[Callistus Valer]

They told me you were the "impossible" customer.
Impossible to please, and they said, short of giving you
everything they had free, they finally in the end just had
to ignore you.

 

[Tom Arsenault]

[email protected] (SprintAtBettyRussells) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Tom Arsenault) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > And you could have saved yourself tons of trouble by
> > walking/riding over to your local bike ship. And you
> > probably would have gotten what you wanted, and at the
> > same price (I know lots of shops that price match mail
> > order) Unless you are living in a place where there is
> > not a local bike shop.
> >
> > Tom
>
> Horseshit! The whole idea of LBSs being better than mail-
> order really makes me laugh...people are so gullible,
> myself included. You might be lucky to find an LBS worth
> anything, but do your research because the ones worth
> spending money on are few and far between. Or if you have
> the time and patience and coinage, keep spending $$ and
> time at all of the LBSs until you find one that's decent.
> That's what I did in Northern VA...lots of shops but poor
> quality. And there will be a lot of guys who will
> recommend an LBS and say it's great, but those people
> don't know any better.

Maybe I've been personally lucky, but I've found great local
bike shops in NC since the time I moved down here from
Maine. You do have to have some patience with some shops,
but most will make you feel at home, and if they don't have
something in stock, they can normally get it for you within
2-3 days (my experience once again). Their knowledge is
invaluable, and for little repairs that I might not have the
correct tools to do (such as wheel truing because I don't
have a truing stand), they will normally slot me right in,
take care of it for me, and send me on my way without being
charged for anything. So I bring in a case of beer or some
other goodies once in awhile to show my appreciation for
what they've done for me in the past. It kind of greases the
wheels so to speak. I could recommend several shops to you
in the Greensboro/Chapel Hill area, and you'd be more than
pleased with them. Very good quality at them as well. Sounds
like you've had a bad experience. Either that, or you're
"that guy" that buys everything mail order, and then brings
it into his/her local bike shop and has them build it for
you or install it for you.

Tom

 

[Tom Arsenault]

[email protected] (SprintAtBettyRussells) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Tom Arsenault) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > And you could have saved yourself tons of trouble by
> > walking/riding over to your local bike ship. And you
> > probably would have gotten what you wanted, and at the
> > same price (I know lots of shops that price match mail
> > order) Unless you are living in a place where there is
> > not a local bike shop.
> >
> > Tom
>
> Horseshit! The whole idea of LBSs being better than mail-
> order really makes me laugh...people are so gullible,
> myself included. You might be lucky to find an LBS worth
> anything, but do your research because the ones worth
> spending money on are few and far between. Or if you have
> the time and patience and coinage, keep spending $$ and
> time at all of the LBSs until you find one that's decent.
> That's what I did in Northern VA...lots of shops but poor
> quality. And there will be a lot of guys who will
> recommend an LBS and say it's great, but those people
> don't know any better.

Maybe I've been personally lucky, but I've found great local
bike shops in NC since the time I moved down here from
Maine. You do have to have some patience with some shops,
but most will make you feel at home, and if they don't have
something in stock, they can normally get it for you within
2-3 days (my experience once again). Their knowledge is
invaluable, and for little repairs that I might not have the
correct tools to do (such as wheel truing because I don't
have a truing stand), they will normally slot me right in,
take care of it for me, and send me on my way without being
charged for anything. So I bring in a case of beer or some
other goodies once in awhile to show my appreciation for
what they've done for me in the past. It kind of greases the
wheels so to speak. I could recommend several shops to you
in the Greensboro/Chapel Hill area, and you'd be more than
pleased with them. Very good quality at them as well. Sounds
like you've had a bad experience. Either that, or you're
"that guy" that buys everything mail order, and then brings
it into his/her local bike shop and has them build it for
you or install it for you.

Tom

 

[Sprintatbettyru]

"Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<cAS3c.14365$%[email protected]>...
> Local bike shops are much better to do business at under
> normal circumstances and if you pay a premium so be it. In
> the end it means that you have someone that works on bikes
> all the time and so can fix that damn problem that you
> can't. It means that they know exactly how to adjust the
> derailleurs so that they don't rattle in half the gears.
> They know how to wrap the bar tape so that it covers up
> ALL of the bar including the little triangle next to the
> brake lever. And they have all of the tools necessary to
> work on stuff on bikes that you'll never want to - say
> taking apart a Campi Ergo lever with more parts than in a
> '53 DeSoto.
>

For the few local bike shops that do this, it's worth the
premium. My point is that most bike shops don't do this.
Most have mechanics that are best equal to my skills which
isn't much. Usually worse. The other option (for me)is to
drive an hour and half to get to a decent shop with a decent
mechanic, which I do when I can. But I shouldn't have to.

I just think the LBS advice is over-rated, applicable to the
few who live in communities where they are lucky to have
that quality LBS with half-decent mechanics.

 

[Clay Tidwell]

[email protected] (SprintAtBettyRussells) wrote in
message news
> And there will be a lot of guys who will recommend an
> LBS and say it's great, but those people don't know
> any better.

I'm guessing they know better then consumers getting fleeced
by online vendors.

Clay T.

 

[NOSPAM]

"Callistus Valerius" <[email protected]> wrote:
> They told me you were the "impossible" customer.
> Impossible to please, and they said, short of giving
> you everything they had free, they finally in the end
> just had to ignore you.

Hey callitsis... Before you flame someone, why don't
you think about what you are saying.. "they told
me...", "impossible customer.." "free.." "in the end
had to ignore.."

Perhaps you are not old enough to read and comprehend the
post or just enjoy posing like you are in the know... I paid
for two day shipping, a week and a half later the wrong item
arrives (first bad sign). I try to call them (because the
invoice says they refuse returns w/o an RA number), their
phone number on the return form was disconnected (second bad
sign). I sent them a couple of emails and left a few
voicemails on their order line asking for an RA number to
return the thing. All of this was over a few weeks, they
never replied, not even once. All I wanted was an RA number
to return the product they sent me which was different than
what I ordered.

Your post implied there was some kind of dialog and that I
was trying to get something for free. There was no dialog
and I didn't want (or ever ask for) anything for free.

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