On 27 Apr 2005 19:02:00 -0700, "Absent Husband"
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>Thanks Carl (and Tam!),
>
>Although Carl - I do remember you sledging others about using 'added
>protein' from sources other than a 'healthy diet' - "expensive wee" I
>think was your terminology??
Not quite, I did mention about some (very small) amounts of
protein being useful. I'm not talking about the large amounts
that bodybuilders and others fooled into spending bulk on
expensive whey isolates turn into urine
>First article was good. But then, any article that says "This is what
>the cutting edge research tells us, and I have just developed a product
>using this that you can buy now!" has to be treated with some healthy
>scepticism (or at least a critical eye....)
Of course. That's a convenient reference, not a scientific paper.
Ed Bourke is dead now, but both he and Chris Carmichael
recomment a small amount of protein (CC says 7:1 EB says 4:1)
in their books on the subject. To balance the argument, CC did the
7:1 stuff for Powerbar, but I believe that EB did 4:1 out of
experimentation, then decided to try and sell it.
If you have time/inclination, have a read through these two books :
Optimal Muscle Performance and Recovery, Ed Bourke
Chris Carmichael's Food for Fitness, Chris Carmichael
I buy a 750g tub of whey isolate that lasts me about 6 months when
mixed in with staminade, it's not breaking the bank.
>I guess if you use a 'normal' sports drink (ie. most of them), and
>supplement with a protein food source for looong rides, then you'd be
>covered. Thinking about buying some Staminade powder and making it up
>at 'half-strength' - will have to trial and see....
Quite possibly - I think the recommendation is some of the specific
BCAAs, which are found in whey protein. Ed's book in particular
goes into some detail re the testing and studies. See if your library
has it, or get it from amazon. See :
http://www.aboc.com.au/perl/open.pl?p=recommended_reading
>Oh - and about your magnesium comment... Ducked in to the local
>pharmacy a while ago to grab some K-Mag tablets (recommended I think by
>someone on a.b??) for some cramps I was getting on the bike on looong
>rides. Before I could pay for them, I got cornered by the consulting
>naturopath who quizzed me on why I was using them, what I drink on my
>rides, etc, etc. She told me that if I was drinking xxxxxx-ade sports
>drink, then I would be getting enough 'salts/potassium', and that most
>of the current research was pointing straight at magnesium as the best
>for prevention/treatment of cramps.
>
>Bottom line - she convinced me to go for a straight magnesium
>supplement (I bought "Bio-mag" - Blackmores, I think....?). I only use
>one on rides longer than 2 hours/50km. Had good results, but then that
>outcome could be confounded by better fitness, better hydration (which
>I've been working on), etc, etc.
yep, with such things, in particular cramps, no-one really knows what
causes them or how to treat them, there's a lot of evidence to
suggest that they're caused by electrolye losses, but that
varies with the individual, and AFAIK, there's no one cure to
cramping. I use staminade because it's green, was glucose, not
sucrose, is Australian[*], tastes good (to me) and has magnesium
as well as sodium & potassium and is cheap.
[*] Cadbury-schweppes distributes gatorade, powerade is cocacola,
and they're both evil!
