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  1. Kurgan Gringioni said:

    "Clovis Lark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    That aside, I don't see anything wrong with changing the that part of


    the

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    Constitution. If the people wish to vote for someone born in another country, then so be it.

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    K. Gringioni born in the USA

    It would give me a chance: CL not born in the US but not interested in the job... (it would ruin
    my road riding)

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    Why would it ruin your road riding? If you're the President, you can do

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    vacations".

    Well, I'd have that peloton of men in blue leisure suits and aviator sunglasses who would be leading
    out everywhere I went ...

  2. "Clovis Lark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Kurgan Gringioni said:

    "Clovis Lark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    > That aside, I don't see anything wrong with changing the that part of


    the

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    > Constitution. If the people wish to vote for someone born in another country, then so be it.

    > K. Gringioni born in the USA

    It would give me a chance: CL not born in the US but not interested in


    the

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    job... (it would ruin my road riding)

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    Why would it ruin your road riding? If you're the President, you can do

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    vacations".

    Well, I'd have that peloton of men in blue leisure suits and aviator sunglasses who would be
    leading out everywhere I went ...

    The Prime Minister of Tuvalu (sp?) visited my brother once. It's only a nation of 10,000, so would
    be more like mayor of a small town here, not a big deal. However, the US Secret Service has a
    minimum level of protection for a foreign head of state. That meant 4 agents to accompany him at all
    times. So everywhere they went, they had 4 Secret Service dudes with them, checking the table out
    before they sat down at a restaurant, stuff like that. My brother said it was great fun.

    So ya, you could show up to a bike race and make those guys course marshall.

  3. Kurgan Gringioni said:

    "Clovis Lark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Clovis Lark" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > > That aside, I don't see anything wrong with changing the that part of
    the
    > > Constitution. If the people wish to vote for someone born in another country, then so be it.
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    > > K. Gringioni born in the USA
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    > It would give me a chance: CL not born in the US but not interested in


    the

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    > job... (it would ruin my road riding)

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    Why would it ruin your road riding? If you're the President, you can do

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    vacations".

    Well, I'd have that peloton of men in blue leisure suits and aviator sunglasses who would be
    leading out everywhere I went ...

    Quoted message said:

    The Prime Minister of Tuvalu (sp?) visited my brother once. It's only a nation of 10,000, so would
    be more like mayor of a small town here, not a big deal. However, the US Secret Service has a
    minimum level of protection for a foreign head of state. That meant 4 agents to accompany him at
    all times. So everywhere they went, they had 4 Secret Service dudes with them, checking the table
    out before they sat down at a restaurant, stuff like that. My brother said it was great fun.

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    So ya, you could show up to a bike race and make those guys course marshall.

    I'd never have to train again. Victory would be a matter of homeland security... PRAISE (Reference
    to the other thread about religion)!

  4. [email hidden] (steve) wrote in message
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    --- Tyler had no stage wins because Bruyneel rarely allows his riders to attempt individual stage
    wins, it sucks and Cedric Vasser left because of it. C Agricole and CSC allow riders more freedom.

    That's what they have to do because they don't have a realistic shot at the overall.

    You'll never see Jacky Durand type riders on a team with a major contender for the Tour.

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    The Posties are a lot stronger than they appear on paper, it is just that the postie
    domestiques are too restrained and discouraged from placing high after their jobs are done for
    the days stage.----- My proof Look at Tylers position now, Levi would also be in the top ten
    without his accident but if these guys were riding for postal they would be forced to be 20
    minutes down at least.

    That's because they don't have a realistic shot at the overall. Jalabert spent his last two tours
    chasing mtn. points and going on long breaks (which the French just eat up), but it's a sign that
    you've decided you don't stand a chance on GC so you go for all the consolation prizes.

    -Amit

  5. [email hidden] (steve) wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

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    [email hidden] (TF) wrote in message
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    --- Tyler had no stage wins because Bruyneel rarely allows his riders to attempt individual stage
    wins, it sucks and Cedric Vasser left because of it.

    It was really hard for Vasseur to try for a stage win the year he wasn't even selected for the team.
    With all the whining he did then, he wasn't really missed when he left. Maybe he's happier now --
    he's got the opportunity to go for the stage win, though he's riding for the cursed team.

    NS

  6. Clovis Lark said:

    It would give me a chance: CL not born in the US but not interested in the job... (it would ruin
    my road riding)

    Not really, just make the Secret Service's job a little harder. You can run a country from a bike
    saddle. It just take a little ingenuity.

    --
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    Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
    could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
    charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

  7. Raptor said:
    Clovis Lark said:

    It would give me a chance: CL not born in the US but not interested in the job... (it would ruin
    my road riding)

    Quoted message said:

    Not really, just make the Secret Service's job a little harder. You can run a country from a bike
    saddle. It just take a little ingenuity.

    Current situation as an example, NO ingenuity...

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    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
    could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP
    in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

  8. "Raptor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Clovis Lark said:

    It would give me a chance: CL not born in the US but not interested in


    the

    Quoted message said:
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    job... (it would ruin my road riding)

    Not really, just make the Secret Service's job a little harder. You can run a country from a bike
    saddle. It just take a little ingenuity.

    Hell ya.

    If Bush Sr. can run the country from Kennebunkport and Junior can run it from a dude ranch, then it
    certainly can be done from a bike.

    Cabinet meetings via videolink.

  9. Clovis Lark said:
    Raptor said:
    Clovis Lark said:

    It would give me a chance: CL not born in the US but not interested in the job... (it would ruin
    my road riding)


    Quoted message said:

    Not really, just make the Secret Service's job a little harder. You can run a country from a bike
    saddle. It just take a little ingenuity.

    Current situation as an example, NO ingenuity...

    Yep, another jogger in the White House. How creative is that?

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
    could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
    charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

  10. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    If Bush Sr. can run the country from Kennebunkport and Junior can run it from a dude ranch, then
    it certainly can be done from a bike.

    Do you have any evidence that W has been running the country?

  11. Raptor said:

    Yep, another jogger in the White House. How creative is that?

    W is not a jogger. 7 minute miles is running, not jogging. W is a runner.

    Lindsay
    ----------------------------
    "One of the annoying things about believing in free will and individual responsibility is the
    difficulty of finding somebody to blame your problems on. And when you do find somebody, it's
    remarkable how often his picture turns up on your driver's license."

    P.J. O'Rourke

  12. "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    If Bush Sr. can run the country from Kennebunkport and Junior can run it from a dude ranch, then
    it certainly can be done from a bike.

    Do you have any evidence that W has been running the country?

    Not really.

    See? Being President would be the greatest thing for training.

  13. Lindsay said:
    Raptor said:

    Yep, another jogger in the White House. How creative is that?

    W is not a jogger. 7 minute miles is running, not jogging. W is a runner.

    7 minute miles is jogging. 6 minute miles or better is running.

  14. Stewart Fleming said:
    Lindsay said:
    Raptor said:

    Yep, another jogger in the White House. How creative is that?

    W is not a jogger. 7 minute miles is running, not jogging. W is a runner.

    7 minute miles is jogging. 6 minute miles or better is running.

    [censored]. 9 minute miles is jogging. Most runners would love to do a 5K at 7 minute miles, would be
    ecstatic with a 10K with 7 minute miles.

    Lindsay
    ----------------------------
    "One of the annoying things about believing in free will and individual responsibility is the
    difficulty of finding somebody to blame your problems on. And when you do find somebody, it's
    remarkable how often his picture turns up on your driver's license."

    P.J. O'Rourke

  15. Lindsay said:
    Stewart Fleming said:


    Lindsay said:

    On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 23:56:59 -0600, Raptor <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Yep, another jogger in the White House. How creative is that?

    W is not a jogger. 7 minute miles is running, not jogging. W is a runner.

    7 minute miles is jogging. 6 minute miles or better is running.

    [censored]. 9 minute miles is jogging. Most runners would love to do a 5K at 7 minute miles, would
    be ecstatic with a 10K with 7 minute miles.

    Lindsay

    Way back when I was sprinting (on foot), the coach had us run 6 minute miles for training. I'm
    pretty sure I can do a 7-minute mile, and I am NOT a runner.

    It doesn't matter. He's not creative.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawall "I'm not proud. We really haven't done everything we
    could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
    charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

  16. Raptor said:
    Lindsay said:

    On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:12:25 +1200, Stewart Fleming <[email hidden]> wrote: [censored]. 9 minute
    miles is jogging. Most runners would love to do a 5K at 7 minute miles, would be ecstatic with a
    10K with 7 minute miles.

    Lindsay

    Way back when I was sprinting (on foot), the coach had us run 6 minute miles for training. I'm
    pretty sure I can do a 7-minute mile, and I am NOT a runner.

    It doesn't matter. He's not creative.

    I am associated with 3 running groups, an officer with one of them. People who can run a 3K with an
    ave of 7 minute miles are runners. If you can run a 10K with a 7 min ave you can be sub-seeded for
    many races that have big purses and professional attendance. Pretending that people who run 7 minute
    miles are 'joggers' is utter [censored]. Saying as much only proves ones ignorance, or bias. ;-)

    Lindsay
    ----------------------------
    "One of the annoying things about believing in free will and individual responsibility is the
    difficulty of finding somebody to blame your problems on. And when you do find somebody, it's
    remarkable how often his picture turns up on your driver's license."

    P.J. O'Rourke

  17. "Lindsay" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Raptor said:
    Lindsay said:

    On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:12:25 +1200, Stewart Fleming <[email hidden]> wrote: [censored]. 9
    minute miles is jogging. Most runners would love to do a 5K at 7 minute miles, would be
    ecstatic with a 10K with 7 minute miles.

    Lindsay

    Way back when I was sprinting (on foot), the coach had us run 6 minute miles for training. I'm
    pretty sure I can do a 7-minute mile, and I am NOT a runner.

    It doesn't matter. He's not creative.

    I am associated with 3 running groups, an officer with one of them. People who can run a 3K with
    an ave of 7 minute miles are runners. If you can run a 10K with a 7 min ave you can be sub-seeded
    for many races that have big purses and professional attendance.

    Dude, 7 min/mile is slow. 42 minute 10k. That's not a seeded time.

  18. Kurgan Gringioni said:

    Dude, 7 min/mile is slow. 42 minute 10k. That's not a seeded time.

    Dude, I said sub-seeded. Do you know the difference?? 7 minute miles is not slow. Only a fool would
    call it 'jogging'.

    Lindsay
    ----------------------------
    "One of the annoying things about believing in free will and individual responsibility is the
    difficulty of finding somebody to blame your problems on. And when you do find somebody, it's
    remarkable how often his picture turns up on your driver's license."

    P.J. O'Rourke

  19. "Lindsay" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kurgan Gringioni said:

    Dude, 7 min/mile is slow. 42 minute 10k. That's not a seeded time.

    Dude, I said sub-seeded. Do you know the difference?? 7 minute miles is not slow. Only a fool
    would call it 'jogging'.

    Dumbass -

    I used to run sprints in college. I can run a sub 40 minute 40k.

    cross country team.

    Seeded runner? What a joke.

  20. Lindsay said:

    I am associated with 3 running groups, an officer with one of them. People who can run a 3K with
    an ave of 7 minute miles are runners. If you can run a 10K with a 7 min ave you can be
    sub-seeded for many races that have big purses and professional attendance. Pretending that
    people who run 7 minute miles are 'joggers' is utter [censored]. Saying as much only proves ones
    ignorance, or bias. ;-)

    Where are these races? Does runing a 7 min average in a "big race" make you feel better when the
    lead is at sub 5 mins/mile and the average is better than 6???

    Rule of thumb here (as explained by club coach) is: 34 min 10K - club runner 30 min 10K - provincial
    rep better than 30 min 10K - national rep

    I'll stick with my original characterisation.

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