Black Sapim spokes better?

[Derk Drukker]

Hi!

This afternoon the 12 year old rim of my rearwheel suddenly collapsed.

I have a new 36 spokes, ultegra, CXP 33 wheelset built. The person who'll do this recommended me the
black Sapim spokes, "because they are stronger".

Is there any truth in it, or is this just humbug?

Greets, Derk

 

[Paul Kopit]

I hope that it's not the same person that built the wheelset that collapsed.

The spokes won't make much difference. The quality spoke makers all make decent stuff. Why would
black be stronger? My black DT spokes just made my hands dirty when I was building the wheel.

On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:02:11 +0100, Derk Drukker
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Hi!
>
>This afternoon the 12 year old rim of my rearwheel suddenly collapsed.
>
>I have a new 36 spokes, ultegra, CXP 33 wheelset built. The person who'll do this recommended me
>the black Sapim spokes, "because they are stronger".
>
>Is there any truth in it, or is this just humbug?
>
>Greets, Derk

 

[S. Anderson]

Exactly..likely, that's the only colour the guy has in stock as well...and they usually cost more..

Cheers,

Scott..
--
Scott Anderson

"Paul Kopit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I hope that it's not the same person that built the wheelset that collapsed.
>
> The spokes won't make much difference. The quality spoke makers all make decent stuff. Why would
> black be stronger? My black DT spokes just made my hands dirty when I was building the wheel.

 

[Ronald]

> "because they are stronger".

Stronger than what? Silver Sapim's or black DT etc.? I do have very good experiences with Sapim Race
spokes which accidently all were black, but i doubt the color will make much difference.

"Derk Drukker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Hi!
>
> This afternoon the 12 year old rim of my rearwheel suddenly collapsed.
>
> I have a new 36 spokes, ultegra, CXP 33 wheelset built. The person who'll do this recommended me
> the black Sapim spokes, "because they are stronger".
>
> Is there any truth in it, or is this just humbug?
>
> Greets, Derk

 

[Andy Coggan]

"Derk Drukker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Hi!
>
> This afternoon the 12 year old rim of my rearwheel suddenly collapsed.
>
> I have a new 36 spokes, ultegra, CXP 33 wheelset built. The person who'll do this recommended me
> the black Sapim spokes, "because they are stronger".
>
> Is there any truth in it, or is this just humbug?

Maybe they were just recommending Sapim spokes in general (regardless of color), since they
supposedly have a very high yield tension?

Andy Coggan

 

[Huw Pritchard]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:02:11 +0100, Derk Drukker did issue forth:

> I have a new 36 spokes, ultegra, CXP 33 wheelset built. The person who'll do this recommended me
> the black Sapim spokes, "because they are stronger".
>
> Is there any truth in it, or is this just humbug?

They're not stronger, but due to the minute air currents created by the heat radiated by the black
surface, they will make you go faster.

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[Mike S.]

"Huw Pritchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:02:11 +0100, Derk Drukker did issue forth:
>
> > I have a new 36 spokes, ultegra, CXP 33 wheelset built. The person
who'll
> > do this recommended me the black Sapim spokes, "because they are stronger".
> >
> > Is there any truth in it, or is this just humbug?
>
> They're not stronger, but due to the minute air currents created by the heat radiated by the black
> surface, they will make you go faster.
>
Is THAT why zebras can run so fast when chased by a lion? I always wondered about that.

Mike

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> Huw Pritchard Replace bounce with huw to reply by mail

 

[Kinkycowboy]

On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:41:14 GMT, "Mike S." <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Huw Pritchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:02:11 +0100, Derk Drukker did issue forth:
>>
>> > I have a new 36 spokes, ultegra, CXP 33 wheelset built. The person
>who'll
>> > do this recommended me the black Sapim spokes, "because they are stronger".
>> >
>> > Is there any truth in it, or is this just humbug?
>>
>> They're not stronger, but due to the minute air currents created by the heat radiated by the
>> black surface, they will make you go faster.
>>
>Is THAT why zebras can run so fast when chased by a lion? I always wondered about that.
>
>Mike
>
>
>> --
>> Huw Pritchard Replace bounce with huw to reply by mail
>>
>

Actually, the zebras (and Mario Cipollini) use a different effect; the black stripes are painted on
top of the white base coat, causing small ridges. The boundary layer turbulence caused by the edges
of these small ridges allows the boundary layer to adhere to the suface further back towards the
trailing edge, reducing induced drag.

Kinky Cowboy

*Your milage may vary Batteries not included May contain traces of nuts.

 

[Qui Si Parla Ca]

d drucker- << I have a new 36 spokes, ultegra, CXP 33 wheelset built. The person who'll do this
recommended me the black Sapim spokes, "because they are stronger".

Add to myth and legend file. Hard to get a poor spoke these days from the major makers-Alpina,
Sapin, DT, Wheelsmith all make good spokes and certainly the color has nothin' to so with it.

Have the wheel builder pick the components according to you and your riding needs, have the builder
build it well...

'Conventional wheels built exceptionally well' is the key...

Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535 http://www.vecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

 

[Alex Rodriguez]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
>
>Hi!
>
>This afternoon the 12 year old rim of my rearwheel suddenly collapsed.
>
>I have a new 36 spokes, ultegra, CXP 33 wheelset built. The person who'll do this recommended
>me the black Sapim spokes, "because they are stronger". Is there any truth in it, or is this
>just humbug?

humbug. Also, what makes you think you need stronger spokes? A stronger spoke will not necessarily
make a wheel that can support more weight.
-----------------
Alex __O _-\<,_ (_)/ (_)

 

[Derk Drukker]

On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:21:09 +0100, Alex Rodriguez wrote:

> humbug. Also, what makes you think you need stronger spokes? A stronger spoke will not necessarily
> make a wheel that can support more weight.
I don't need that, since I weigh only 70kg's, but I am looking for a spoke that:
1) Has a long life
2) can support sprinting against hills

Most of the times I had a broken spoke, it was after shifting gears while climbing a steep hill
in France.

Greets, Derk

 

[Derk Drukker]

On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:15:18 +0100, Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:

> Cuz yer in france...
It's not *that* far from Italy!

Greets, Derk

 

[Mike S.]

"Derk Drukker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:21:09 +0100, Alex Rodriguez wrote:
>
>
> > humbug. Also, what makes you think you need stronger spokes? A stronger spoke will not
> > necessarily make a wheel that can support more weight.
> I don't need that, since I weigh only 70kg's, but I am looking for a spoke that:
> 1) Has a long life
> 2) can support sprinting against hills
>
I know this is a translation thing, but I really hope that you always beat the hills in a sprint!
Last I saw, hills don't sprint very well...

> Most of the times I had a broken spoke, it was after shifting gears while climbing a steep hill
> in France.
>
> Greets, Derk

 

[Derk Drukker]

On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:09:40 +0100, Mike S. wrote:

> I know this is a translation thing, but I really hope that you always beat the hills in a sprint!
> Last I saw, hills don't sprint very well...
) You're probably right! How would you say that in English: sprinting
up hills?

Greets, Derk

 

[Bruce Gilbert]

I just built a series of wheels with the new black Sapim 14/15 race spokes. I don't know about the
wheels running any faster, but they sure look great. It was my first experience with Sapim and the
wheels built up uneventfully fine. I did notice that the black spokes made it a lot easier to see if
there were any extra parts left over, after the wheels were built. The blue spoke-prep was striking
against the dramatic ebony finish of the spokes. It made the wheel balance a lot better....

After the first 5,000 miles, we can then argue and wager on how long the wheels will last. If I
change the wheel bearing grease regularly, will the spokes last longer?

Bruce

"Derk Drukker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> Hi!
>
> This afternoon the 12 year old rim of my rearwheel suddenly collapsed.
>
> I have a new 36 spokes, ultegra, CXP 33 wheelset built. The person who'll do this recommended me
> the black Sapim spokes, "because they are stronger".
>
> Is there any truth in it, or is this just humbug?
>
> Greets, Derk

 

[Mike S.]

"Bruce Gilbert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I just built a series of wheels with the new black Sapim 14/15 race
spokes.
> I don't know about the wheels running any faster, but they sure look
great.
> It was my first experience with Sapim and the wheels built up uneventfully fine. I did notice that
> the black spokes made it a lot easier to see if there were any extra parts left over, after the
> wheels were built. The
blue
> spoke-prep was striking against the dramatic ebony finish of the spokes.
It
> made the wheel balance a lot better....
>
> After the first 5,000 miles, we can then argue and wager on how long the wheels will last. If I
> change the wheel bearing grease regularly, will the spokes last longer?
>
> Bruce
>
Only if you've tied the spokes in a square knot, then soldered them, AND you're in the southern
hemisphere.

Mike
>
>
> "Derk Drukker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
> > Hi!
> >
> > This afternoon the 12 year old rim of my rearwheel suddenly collapsed.
> >
> > I have a new 36 spokes, ultegra, CXP 33 wheelset built. The person
who'll
> > do this recommended me the black Sapim spokes, "because they are stronger".
> >
> > Is there any truth in it, or is this just humbug?
> >
> > Greets, Derk

 

[Mike S.]

"Derk Drukker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:09:40 +0100, Mike S. wrote:
>
> > I know this is a translation thing, but I really hope that you always beat the hills in a
> > sprint! Last I saw, hills don't sprint very well...
> ) You're probably right! How would you say that in English: sprinting
> up hills?
>

Yup. Something I have absolutely no desire to do!

Mike

> Greets, Derk

 

[A Muzi]

> On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:21:09 +0100, Alex Rodriguez wrote:
> > humbug. Also, what makes you think you need stronger spokes? A stronger spoke will not
> > necessarily make a wheel that can support more weight.
> I don't need that, since I weigh only 70kg's, but I am looking for a spoke that:
> 1) Has a long life
> 2) can support sprinting against hills

"Derk Drukker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Most of the times I had a broken spoke, it was after shifting gears while climbing a steep hill
> in France.

So the reason I haven't ever broken a spoke is that I do not ride in France??

--
Andrew Muzi http://www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April 1971

 

[Derk Drukker]

On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:38:45 +0100, A Muzi wrote:

>> Most of the times I had a broken spoke, it was after shifting gears while climbing a steep hill
>> in France.
> So the reason I haven't ever broken a spoke is that I do not ride in France??
Gramatically one needs a word like "because" to indicate a reason why something happens. This word
is missing here, so this sentence doesn't mean "the risk is great to break spokes while cycling in
France", but "it was in France while cycling up a steep hill (in France onefinds steep climbs: in
Holland we don't have those, so stress will be less om spokes) that I had broken spokes". But you
are right: for non-Dutch readers I could have left the "in France" part out, but then again Dutch
readers would have complained: "how is that possible? We don't have steep climbs here, so that can't
be true". Just like the mail I wrote about Connex chains where one asks information about these
chains and I give my own experiences with it. Then you start getting mails from people who say that
they have never had problems, so I must be lying.......

Greets, Derk

 

[Alan]

> After the first 5,000 miles, we can then argue and wager on how long the wheels will last. If I
> change the wheel bearing grease regularly, will the spokes last longer?
>
Sorry but how/why would changing the wheel bearing make the spokes last longer? It'll likely make
your hub roll smoother and last longer though.

alan