Blur VS Spider

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  1. Mtbchip

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    Any insight to share?

    Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.

    Discuss:

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  2. ..::Tbf::..

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    Blur VS Spider "mtbchip" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:BB094DD2.55B8%[email protected]...
    Any insight to share?

    Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.

    Discuss:

    Thanks, mtbchip

    Spider for XC racing, Blur for trail, but either works for me :)
     
  3. Jon Bond

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    "..::TBF::.." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Blur VS Spider "mtbchip" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:BB094DD2.55B8%[email protected]...
    > Any insight to share?
    >
    > Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.
    >
    > Discuss:
    >
    > Thanks, mtbchip
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Spider for XC racing, Blur for trail, but either works for me :)

    Spider actually isn't that much lighter. Quarter/half a pound - not the claimed pound+. Worth the
    extra money? Dunno.

    Jon Bond
     
  4. Jd

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    mtbchip <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<BB094DD2.55B8%[email protected]>...
    > Any insight to share?
    >
    > Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.
    >
    > Discuss:
    >
    > Thanks, mtbchip

    Ok MTBRasta, neither. Get a Titus or get screwed.

    JD
     
  5. Mtbchip

    Mtbchip Guest

    in article [email protected], JD at [email protected] wrote on
    6/9/03 6:40 AM:

    >
    > Ok MTBRasta, neither. Get a Titus or get screwed.
    >
    > JD
    That was RastaMTB.......Hello from Losocal!

    Titus, is that an OBJECTIVE opinion?!?!? I know you like yer bike big guy. Which Titus is it? Is the
    Model "Screwed" or is that what happens if I don't buy one. The message is kinda cryptic..........

    More info needed for lesser minds.

    mtbchip
     
  6. ..::Tbf::..

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    "Jon Bond" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "..::TBF::.." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Blur VS Spider "mtbchip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:BB094DD2.55B8%[email protected]... Any insight to share?
    > >
    > > Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.
    > >
    > > Discuss:
    > >
    > > Thanks, mtbchip
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Spider for XC racing, Blur for trail, but either works for me :)
    >
    > Spider actually isn't that much lighter. Quarter/half a pound - not the claimed pound+. Worth the
    > extra money? Dunno.
    >
    > Jon Bond
    >
    >

    Intense doesn't make complete bikes, so the weight issue is dependent on how much money you
    want to spend.
     
  7. Jon Bond

    Jon Bond Guest

    "..::TBF::.." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
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    > "Jon Bond" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "..::TBF::.." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Blur VS Spider "mtbchip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:BB094DD2.55B8%[email protected]... Any insight to share?
    > > >
    > > > Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.
    > > >
    > > > Discuss:
    > > >
    > > > Thanks, mtbchip
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Spider for XC racing, Blur for trail, but either works for me :)
    > >
    > > Spider actually isn't that much lighter. Quarter/half a pound - not the claimed pound+. Worth
    > > the extra money? Dunno.
    > >
    > > Jon Bond
    > >
    > >
    >
    > Intense doesn't make complete bikes, so the weight issue is dependent on
    how
    > much money you want to spend.

    I'm talking frames here. The spider was claimed to be a lot lighter, hence making it more of an XC
    race bike. Its really not all that much lighter than the blur frame. All other things being equal,
    the spider frame won't save you much weight. If there's a ride difference, well, maybe, I dunno. But
    there's certainly a price one!

    Jon Bond
     
  8. mtbchip wrote:

    > Any insight to share?
    >
    > Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.
    >
    > Discuss:
    >
    > Thanks, mtbchip

    I have a blur, I love my blur.

    My thoughts:

    If you are mainly racing, and plan on doing quite well, the Spyder is the bike (Of those 2...).

    If you are mainly XC riding, go for the cheaper, longer travel blur.

    A
     
  9. ..::Tbf::..

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    "Anthony Sloan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    > mtbchip wrote:
    >
    > > Any insight to share?
    > >
    > > Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.
    > >
    > > Discuss:
    > >
    > > Thanks, mtbchip
    >
    > I have a blur, I love my blur.
    >
    > My thoughts:
    >
    > If you are mainly racing, and plan on doing quite well, the Spyder is the bike (Of those 2...).
    >
    > If you are mainly XC riding, go for the cheaper, longer travel blur.
    >
    > A
    >

    Toss em' both and get a Jamis or Titus
     
  10. ..::Tbf::..

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    "Jon Bond" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
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    > "..::TBF::.." <theblackf[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Jon Bond" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > "..::TBF::.." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Blur VS Spider "mtbchip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:BB094DD2.55B8%[email protected]... Any insight to share?
    > > > >
    > > > > Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.
    > > > >
    > > > > Discuss:
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks, mtbchip
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Spider for XC racing, Blur for trail, but either works for me :)
    > > >
    > > > Spider actually isn't that much lighter. Quarter/half a pound - not
    the
    > > > claimed pound+. Worth the extra money? Dunno.
    > > >
    > > > Jon Bond
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > > Intense doesn't make complete bikes, so the weight issue is dependent on
    > how
    > > much money you want to spend.
    >
    > I'm talking frames here. The spider was claimed to be a lot lighter,
    hence
    > making it more of an XC race bike. Its really not all that much lighter than the blur frame. All
    > other things being equal, the spider frame won't save you much weight. If there's a ride
    > difference, well, maybe, I dunno. But there's certainly a price one!
    >
    > Jon Bond
    >
    >

    no kidding
     
  11. Sorni

    Sorni Guest

  12. ..::TBF::.. wrote:

    >"Anthony Sloan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    >>mtbchip wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>Any insight to share?
    >>>
    >>>Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.
    >>>
    >>>Discuss:
    >>>
    >>>Thanks, mtbchip
    >>>
    >>>
    >>I have a blur, I love my blur.
    >>
    >>My thoughts:
    >>
    >>If you are mainly racing, and plan on doing quite well, the Spyder is the bike (Of those 2...).
    >>
    >>If you are mainly XC riding, go for the cheaper, longer travel blur.
    >>
    >>A
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >Toss em' both and get a Jamis or Titus
    >
    >
    >
    >
    Well after a strong and promising start, your thesis implodes under its own weight.

    Truly, should the original poster cast aside the Spyder and the Blur in favor of this?:
    http://www.jamisbikes.com/bikes/03_2citizen.html

    Or this?: http://www.titusti.com/images/fcrroad_frame.jpg

    Discuss.

    A
     
  13. Doug Taylor

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    mtbchip <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Any insight to share?
    >
    >Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.

    My $0.02:

    Neither, and not the Epic either, at least not now. AFAIC, they're all too heavy to qualify as
    "x-c" especially if you race. Not to mention they are complicated in design and reportedly
    difficult to set up.

    I have a good old single pivot Superlight and it works just fine, easy to set up, and it's lighter
    (but still heavier than any hardtail). The shock locks out to compensate for the inherent design
    flaw, but it's a minor inconvenience. I think JD's recommendation of Titus might be even better if
    you have to buy right now.

    But otherwise I'd wait for more evolution and improvement of the whole stable platform concept. It's
    too new and needs to be tweaked in the next year or two. About the time my Superlight will be ready
    to be traded in, in fact ;-) --dt
     
  14. Doug Taylor wrote:

    >mtbchip <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>Any insight to share?
    >>
    >>Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.
    >>
    >>
    >
    >My $0.02: Not to mention they are complicated in design and reportedly difficult to set up.
    >

    It's just pivots. The basic premise has been around for years. As for difficulty in setting up, mine
    presented no problems. I set it up to the recommended specs and it works quite nicely.

    >
    >I have a good old single pivot Superlight and it works just fine, easy to set up, and it's lighter
    >(but still heavier than any hardtail). The shock locks out to compensate for the inherent design
    >flaw, but it's a minor inconvenience. I think JD's recommendation of Titus might be even better if
    >you have to buy right now.
    >

    Titus makes a darn fine bike.

    A
     
  15. Jon Bond

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    "Doug Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > mtbchip <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >Any insight to share?
    > >
    > >Looking at a newer XC bike, these two pop up as potentials.
    >
    > My $0.02:
    >
    > Neither, and not the Epic either, at least not now. AFAIC, they're all too heavy to qualify as
    > "x-c" especially if you race. Not to mention they are complicated in design and reportedly
    > difficult to set up.

    Same number of pivots as a FSR, or other four bar. Because it actually IS a four bar... I'll comment
    on setup soon, but the hard "stable platform" setup parts are the SPV/5th element shocks, which are
    optional, and maybe not needed.

    > I have a good old single pivot Superlight and it works just fine, easy to set up, and it's lighter
    > (but still heavier than any hardtail). The shock locks out to compensate for the inherent design
    > flaw, but it's a minor inconvenience. I think JD's recommendation of Titus might be even better if
    > you have to buy right now.

    Titus makes damn nice bikes too. Almost went for a Loco Moto. Would have gotten a racer-X if they
    were optimized for 100mm shocks and not $1600 (more for a Hammerhead 100x, which is exactly what
    I wanted).

    Jon Bond

    > But otherwise I'd wait for more evolution and improvement of the whole stable platform concept.
    > It's too new and needs to be tweaked in the next year or two. About the time my Superlight will be
    > ready to be traded in, in fact ;-) --dt
     
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