Too soon?
The 5700 Cassette is a 10-speed Cassette ...
Think i will go straight for full bike , almost 100% i'll get a boardman now , unless i see something that i think WOW too good to miss , not sure now if i go for SLR 10 speed or SLS 11 speed ..
Ummm ...Originally Posted by swampy1970
Ah, Alf and the Shimano "dwell." That old gem.
If you'd take the time it takes to write 5 words of the **** you drivel on about when it comes to this supposed "dwell" you'd realize that Shimano mechanical shifters change down (eg 15 to 14) when you let go of the inner lever. There is no dwell. You press the lever in , you hear the click and it only shifts when you let go. It does not shift when you start to move the lever in, nor does it shift when the lever is all the way in. It shifts when you let go.
Maybe the dwell is what you believe the operation to be and not what it actually is and exists in a very disjointed way between that twaddle filled noggin of yours and your fingers....
Congrats on the choice. If you get a good fitting and right frame size that will probably be a really enjoyable bike to own for years to come.
cheers , I can't wait , they are sending me away on it for a couple of weeks then i have to go back for a pro bike fit !
Not a climbing bike? The S-Works versions are the choice of guys like Contador and have been up hills faster than pretty much everything else.
I did mean for the comfort aspect as well , .. Did i make a decent choice with this then Swampy ...Originally Posted by swampy1970
Not a climbing bike? The S-Works versions are the choice of guys like Contador and have been up hills faster than pretty much everything else.
Fan: what do you think of the s-works tarmac?
Bertie: f**kin' ace mate. Get a 32 sprocket and smash the cnuts! Do I look pretty in pink? Nice glasses BTW.
... and besides, you don't really have hills in Britain. 10 minute smash fests that suit the big fast lads as much as the malnourished looking climbers.
Those who don't know enough to complain don't ...
HEY!Originally Posted by swampy1970
Ah, Alf and the Shimano "dwell." That old gem.
If you'd take the time it takes to write 5 words of the **** you drivel on about when it comes to this supposed "dwell" you'd realize that Shimano mechanical shifters change down (eg 15 to 14) when you let go of the inner lever. There is no dwell. You press the lever in , you hear the click and it only shifts when you let go. It does not shift when you start to move the lever in, nor does it shift when the lever is all the way in. It shifts when you let go.
Maybe the dwell is what you believe the operation to be and not what it actually is and exists in a very disjointed way between that twaddle filled noggin of yours and your fingers....
Originally Posted by alfeng
Those who don't know enough to complain don't ...
Nontheless, there have been numerous queries about HOW to shift more smoothly when going uphill by comparative "newbies" who don't realize that the shifting CAN be better than what Shimano's mechanical Road shifters provide ...
FYI. Shimano's Rapid Rise (reverse-pull) rear derailleurs AND/OR their Di2 shifter are two of Shimano's remedies [see below for the OTHER, partial remedy] ...
HEY!
Apparently YOU have either chosen to mis-read what I have written about "dwell" over these many years OR you have been mindlessly echoing "Allen Nader" who is a pretender who I reckon did not have the real world experience with his bike that he wanted us to believe he had ...
Because, you are right, there is no "dwell" when upshifting when moving the chain from 15-to-14, or similar gear changes ...
BUT, I have been referring to downshifting to larger cogs when using Shimano's "large" lever ... (again, the "Rapid Rise" rear derailleurs are ONE way to correct the problem with downshifting when using Shimano's mechanical shifters)
Of course, I had presumed that you-and-others knew that in the common parlance that when you "downshift" that you are going to an easier gearing ...
Did/Do you not know that?!?
Or, is this an instance of being separated-by-a-common-language on the two side of the Atlantic?
I suppose THAT could possibly be your excuse due to your time abroad, but what about the others who claim that there isn't any "dwell" in Shimano's mechanical shifters?
OR, would you prefer that I not give you an implausible excuse to use?
Additionally, "dwell" handicaps Shimano's front derailleur shift to the outer Chainring, too.
Regardless (even though you-and-some-others will undoubtedly choose not remember this in the future) ...
Excerpt from above (color added):
"Modern indexing shift levers use dwell, which is a hesitation between movements in the lever. These hesitations are timed to match the movements of the derailleur and the spacing in the rear sprockets ..."
http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/rear-derailler-adjustments-derailleur
Q.E.D ...
So it is said. So it is written.
FWIW. THE benefit of "dwell" is the innovation-and-ongoing-development of ramping-and-pinning which Shimano's Cogs & Chainrings have which are not necessary when using Campagnolo shifters IF the rear derailleur is (almost ... +/- an infinitesimal amount) perfectly indexed but which subsequently means that the indexing of a drivetrain which is actuated with Campagnolo shifters will shift smoothly if the indexing that is indifferently set up OR if there is "cable stretch" ...
And, the lack of "dwell" in Campagnolo's (+ SRAM's ... but, SRAM's front shifter lacks trim & the bean counters apparently figured it would be easier to sell the-first-on-the-block group that a lack of a second chainring was a better solution than simply adding a notch to the front shifter's indexing) shifters also means that a vintage, thin-and-unramped Chainring can be used with Campagnolo shifters without drama whereas a mechanical Shimano shifter will spend some time trying to get the chain to engage the outer chanring if the "step" is more than a few teeth.
I've heard they have a pretty good ride - most of all the top end frames ride well. I preferred the Cannondale Hi-Mod to the S-Works Tarmac a few years back when I test rode then both but it's a subjective thing. Things have changed and it might be the other way around now. You've got a great bike that's worthy of a Tour de France winner, the question is though: Is it the right bike for you? Can you get really comfy on it, as in you forget you're on the bike and you just live the ride, comfy - if you can it's a great buy. If you can't, well, all the carbon bling and uber light S-Works bits like the fancy cranks, won't help. It'll still be an exceptional bike but the back ache and other ****les will detract from the experience.
Cheers Swampy , and many thanks for at least most of the time staying on track to the question asked , Not sure why some feel the need to rip apart everything and always fine a negative .. My problem will and always will be my illness m8 , Colitis isn't fun to live with , I get drained of energy , But fell a large part of that could be sorted with the right neutrition , But i also have IBS as well , Im back at the hospital at the end of the month so hopefuly i can get an answer to some help . I also get swollen joints because of it , so i will never get as comfy as some , but i have to get on with it , So fingers crossed it is better that the cube , And with a pro bike fit , i had one on my cube , but have never been sure it was right .. I will when i get it and have ridden it report back !
