Bolivia's 'Death Road' claims life of U.S. mountain biker



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Siskuwihane

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On Apr 27, 8:28 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Siskuwihane wrote:
> > On Apr 27, 12:34 pm, Tom Sherman <su[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> marika wrote:

>
> >>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]
> >>>> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
> >>> when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
> >>> telling the truth on usenet.
> >> It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
> >> puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.

>
> > Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.

>
> The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
> unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.


Not sure if that's directed towards me or not, my real name and where
I live is posted elsewhere. My nic doesn't make my opinion,
experiences or knowledge any less valid than someone who uses their
real name on their account.
 

>
> The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
> unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.
>


It's a narcissistic thing with Mike. He likes seeing the name up there
whether for fiction or non-fiction...he loves the attention. the full
focus on him whether it be his multiple errors he makes or foolish
statements of truths and non-truths. Everything just mends together
anymore with his posts. So many self claims made by him with nothing
to back it up. and if you come forward and post your own name...he
will try and say you are still lying so no matter how you go with him,
he's a attention *****. As long as he can stir the focus back to him
somehow.
 
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Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:22:57 -0500, Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman blathered:
>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:08:55 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
>> <[email protected]_tmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]
>>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:09:25 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
>>>> <[email protected]_tmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Evolution at work:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/21/news/Bolivia-US-Tourist-Dea...
>>>>>>>>> LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>>>>>>>>> of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>>>>>>>>> Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>>> Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>>>>>>>>> meters).
>>>>>>>>> Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>>>>>>>>> guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>>>>>>>>> breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>>>>>>>>> Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>>>>>>>>> paved highway was opened in 2007.
>>>>>>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly. I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
>>>>>>> c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. Motor vehicles plunge to
>>>>>>> their deaths here too.
>>>>>> So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
>>>>>> do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>>>>> So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
>>>>> bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles?
>>>> Obviously, he rode off-road. DUH!
>>> I think not. Check your facts first Mr Vandeman. He was riding on a "road"
>>> (http://tinyurl.com/2l84y6)

>>
>> You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
>> He rode off-road! DUH!

>
>No dude, the deceased was out of control once he left the road.


So you admit that he rode the boke off of the road. QED

Whether
>or not he remained in physical contact with the bicycle after going over
>the cliff, he was not riding the bicycle at that point. Furthermore, the
>deceased was not intending to leave the road unless he was planning to
>kill himself.
>
>What happened is not riding off road. DUH!


Your stupidity sets a new record! You just admitted that he rode his
boke off of the road. DUH!
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Mike Vandeman

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:22:55 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?

>?He rode off-road! DUH!
>
>Actually you're the one that is tarded. The roads are narrow...no room
>for error. blind corners, etc. this happens all the time. You're just
>an idiot. Like I said...take a flyover of the area next time.


That has nothing to do with the fact that he rode the bike off of the
road.
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Mike Vandeman

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:05:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>So Mikey than the logical extension is that I simply need to ride my rode
>bike on the trail and I am rode riding, nice logic dipwit.
>
>If you die while having sex wearing hiking boots did you die as a hiker, or
>in your case maybe wearing a sheep outfit while having sex you actually died
>as a sheep.
>
>Keep the entertainment going, I use to think you were simply a troll and
>this was your way to get off since you probably could never get a woman to
>sleep with you, but I finally realized you are simply as stupid as you
>sound.


If anyone can understand what you just said, please let us know. It's
not any English that I recognize.
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Mike Vandeman

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:15:05 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>You obviously haven't a clue what a mountain road is in south america
>you asshole! Take a flyover some time Mr friendly skies!


So you are afraid to admit that he rode his bike off of a road?
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Mike Vandeman

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:08:09 -0400, "marika" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>
>
>>
>> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.

>
>when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or telling
>the truth on usenet.


You are allowed to lie on the internet. That's what he did. But that
makes him a liar.
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Tom Sherman

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Mike Vandeman blathered:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:22:57 -0500, Tom Sherman
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:08:55 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
>>> <[email protected]_tmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:09:25 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
>>>>> <[email protected]_tmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Evolution at work:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/21/news/Bolivia-US-Tourist-Dea...
>>>>>>>>>> LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>>>>>>>>>> of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>>>>>>>>>> Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>>>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>>>> Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>>>>>>>>>> meters).
>>>>>>>>>> Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>>>>>>>>>> guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>>>>>>>>>> breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>>>>>>>>>> Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>>>>>>>>>> paved highway was opened in 2007.
>>>>>>>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exactly. I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
>>>>>>>> c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. Motor vehicles plunge to
>>>>>>>> their deaths here too.
>>>>>>> So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
>>>>>>> do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>>>>>> So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
>>>>>> bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles?
>>>>> Obviously, he rode off-road. DUH!
>>>> I think not. Check your facts first Mr Vandeman. He was riding on a "road"
>>>> (http://tinyurl.com/2l84y6)
>>> You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
>>> He rode off-road! DUH!

>> No dude, the deceased was out of control once he left the road.

>
> So you admit that he rode the boke off of the road. QED
>

WTF is a "boke"?

Nowhere did I write the deceased was RIDING when he left the road. In
fact I wrote just the opposite (see below). Try reading what is written
some time.

> Whether
>> or not he remained in physical contact with the bicycle after going over
>> the cliff, he was not riding the bicycle at that point. Furthermore, the
>> deceased was not intending to leave the road unless he was planning to
>> kill himself.
>>
>> What happened is not riding off road. DUH!

>
> Your stupidity sets a new record! You just admitted that he rode his
> boke off of the road. DUH!


Dude, learn to read. Sheesh!

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Tom Sherman

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Mike Vandeman blathered:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:22:55 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?

>> ?He rode off-road! DUH!
>>
>> Actually you're the one that is tarded. The roads are narrow...no room
>> for error. blind corners, etc. this happens all the time. You're just
>> an idiot. Like I said...take a flyover of the area next time.

>
> That has nothing to do with the fact that he rode the bike off of the
> road.


Dude, if the guy hit a low barrier wall and went off the bike over the
wall, he was no longer riding the bike. Duh! If the deceased lost
control and was sliding on the ground, he was no longer riding the bike,
whether or not he was in contact with it. Duh!

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Siskuwihane

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On Apr 27, 10:24 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:05:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
> >So Mikey than the logical extension is that I simply need to ride my rode
> >bike on the trail and I am rode riding, nice logic dipwit.

>
> >If you die while having sex wearing hiking boots did you die as a hiker, or
> >in your case maybe wearing a sheep outfit while having sex you actually died
> >as a sheep.

>
> >Keep the entertainment going, I use to think you were simply a troll and
> >this was your way to get off since you probably could never get a woman to
> >sleep with you, but I finally realized you are simply as stupid as you
> >sound.

>
> If anyone can understand what you just said, please let us know. It's
> not any English that I recognize.


Not english that you recognize? Like when you wrote the word "boke"
not once, TWICE!
 
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Siskuwihane

Guest
On Apr 27, 10:25 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:15:05 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >You obviously haven't a clue what a mountain road is in south america
> >you asshole! Take a flyover some time Mr friendly skies!

>
> So you are afraid to admit that he rode his bike off of a road?


He didn't, the link I provided clearly states he wasn't on his bike
(or boke for those in Berkeley) when he went over the cliff, making
you, once again, a LIAR!
 
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Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:34:53 -0500, Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote:

>marika wrote:
>>
>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.

>>
>> when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
>> telling the truth on usenet.
>>

>It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
>puppet becomes discredited,


What do you mean, "if"?! Use of a fictitious name is a sure sign of
dishonesty.

> it can be tossed for a new one.

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Mike Vandeman

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:03:21 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Apr 27, 3:22 am, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:08:55 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
>> > <[email protected]_tmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> >> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>news:[email protected]
>> >>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:09:25 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
>> >>> <[email protected]_tmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> >>>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:[email protected]
>> >>>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
>> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:

>>
>> >>>>>> On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:

>>
>> >>>>>>>> Evolution at work:
>> >>>>>>>>http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/21/news/Bolivia-US-Tourist-Dea...
>> >>>>>>>> LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>> >>>>>>>> of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>> >>>>>>>> Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>> >>>>>>>> Monday.
>> >>>>>>>> Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>> >>>>>>>> Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>> >>>>>>>> meters).
>> >>>>>>>> Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>> >>>>>>>> Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>> >>>>>>>> Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>> >>>>>>>> guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>> >>>>>>>> breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>> >>>>>>>> Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>> >>>>>>>> paved highway was opened in 2007.
>> >>>>>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.

>>
>> >>>>>> Exactly.  I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
>> >>>>>> c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway.  Motor vehicles plunge to
>> >>>>>> their deaths here too.
>> >>>>> So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
>> >>>>> do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>> >>>> So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
>> >>>> bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles?
>> >>> Obviously, he rode off-road. DUH!
>> >> I think not.  Check your facts first Mr Vandeman.  He was riding on a "road"
>> >> (http://tinyurl.com/2l84y6)

>>
>> > You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
>> > He rode off-road! DUH!

>>
>> No dude, the deceased was out of control once he left the road. Whether
>> or not he remained in physical contact with the bicycle after going over
>> the cliff, he was not riding the bicycle at that point. Furthermore, the
>> deceased was not intending to leave the road unless he was planning to
>> kill himself.
>>
>> What happened is not riding off road. DUH!

>
>The report I read said
>
>"On Monday, Kenneth Mitchell, 56, of Fullerton, California, died when
>he tumbled from his bicycle and fell over a cliff along the highway."
>
>That would make him a hiker since he wasn't on his bike at the time of
>going over the cliff.


This post makes you a moron, because you weren't in possession of a
brain when you wrote it.

Clearly, he was riding his bike, because (1) he's a mountain biker,
and that's what they do, and (2) if he had been hiking, he wouldn't
have fallen off, because he would have had more secure footing.

>Another cyclist was killed (same article) on the paved section on
>Thursday, so much for the health benefits of road biking.


I've never claimed any health benefits for road biking.

>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24311931/

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Mike Vandeman

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:58:46 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Apr 27, 10:25 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:15:05 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >You obviously haven't a clue what a mountain road is in south america
>> >you asshole! Take a flyover some time Mr friendly skies!

>>
>> So you are afraid to admit that he rode his bike off of a road?

>
>He didn't, the link I provided clearly states he wasn't on his bike
>(or boke for those in Berkeley) when he went over the cliff, making
>you, once again, a LIAR!


BS. If he wasn't on his bike, he would still be alive. He would have
had more secure footing.
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Mike Vandeman

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:07:43 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Apr 27, 8:28 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> Siskuwihane wrote:
>> > On Apr 27, 12:34 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >> marika wrote:

>>
>> >>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>news:[email protected]
>> >>>> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
>> >>> when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
>> >>> telling the truth on usenet.
>> >> It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
>> >> puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.

>>
>> > Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.

>>
>> The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
>> unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.

>
>Not sure if that's directed towards me or not, my real name and where
>I live is posted elsewhere. My nic doesn't make my opinion,
>experiences or knowledge any less valid than someone who uses their
>real name on their account.


Not using your real name is a sure sign of an intent to deceive. In
fact, it IS deception.
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Mike Vandeman

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:13:19 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>>
>> The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
>> unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.
>>

>
>It's a narcissistic thing with Mike. He likes seeing the name up there
>whether for fiction or non-fiction...he loves the attention.


That's right, and your continual talking about ME is a very good use
of your time. :) Idiot.

the full
>focus on him whether it be his multiple errors he makes or foolish
>statements of truths and non-truths. Everything just mends together
>anymore with his posts. So many self claims made by him with nothing
>to back it up. and if you come forward and post your own name...he
>will try and say you are still lying so no matter how you go with him,
>he's a attention *****. As long as he can stir the focus back to him
>somehow.

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Mike Vandeman

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:32:28 -0500, Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman blathered:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:22:57 -0500, Tom Sherman
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:08:55 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
>>>> <[email protected]_tmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:09:25 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
>>>>>> <[email protected]_tmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:[email protected]
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution at work:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/21/news/Bolivia-US-Tourist-Dea...
>>>>>>>>>>> LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
>>>>>>>>>>> of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
>>>>>>>>>>> Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
>>>>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>>>>> Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
>>>>>>>>>>> meters).
>>>>>>>>>>> Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
>>>>>>>>>>> guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
>>>>>>>>>>> breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
>>>>>>>>>>> Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
>>>>>>>>>>> paved highway was opened in 2007.
>>>>>>>>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Exactly. I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
>>>>>>>>> c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway. Motor vehicles plunge to
>>>>>>>>> their deaths here too.
>>>>>>>> So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
>>>>>>>> do with mountain biking? You are weird.
>>>>>>> So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
>>>>>>> bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles?
>>>>>> Obviously, he rode off-road. DUH!
>>>>> I think not. Check your facts first Mr Vandeman. He was riding on a "road"
>>>>> (http://tinyurl.com/2l84y6)
>>>> You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
>>>> He rode off-road! DUH!
>>> No dude, the deceased was out of control once he left the road.

>>
>> So you admit that he rode the boke off of the road. QED
>>

>WTF is a "boke"?
>
>Nowhere did I write the deceased was RIDING when he left the road. In
>fact I wrote just the opposite (see below). Try reading what is written
>some time.
>
>> Whether
>>> or not he remained in physical contact with the bicycle after going over
>>> the cliff, he was not riding the bicycle at that point. Furthermore, the
>>> deceased was not intending to leave the road unless he was planning to
>>> kill himself.
>>>
>>> What happened is not riding off road. DUH!

>>
>> Your stupidity sets a new record! You just admitted that he rode his
>> boke off of the road. DUH!

>
>Dude, learn to read. Sheesh!


Bikes don't go off-road of their own accord. He rode it off of the
road. If he wasn't on a bike, he'd still be alive.
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:35:25 -0500, Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman blathered:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:22:55 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
>>> ?He rode off-road! DUH!
>>>
>>> Actually you're the one that is tarded. The roads are narrow...no room
>>> for error. blind corners, etc. this happens all the time. You're just
>>> an idiot. Like I said...take a flyover of the area next time.

>>
>> That has nothing to do with the fact that he rode the bike off of the
>> road.

>
>Dude, if the guy hit a low barrier wall and went off the bike over the
>wall, he was no longer riding the bike. Duh! If the deceased lost
>control and was sliding on the ground, he was no longer riding the bike,
>whether or not he was in contact with it. Duh!


That's part of mountain biking. It happens all the time. It certainly
doesn't make him a hiker! He was mountain biking.
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Siskuwihane

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On Apr 28, 12:45 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:07:43 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Apr 27, 8:28 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> Siskuwihane wrote:
> >> > On Apr 27, 12:34 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> marika wrote:

>
> >> >>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:[email protected]
> >> >>>> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
> >> >>> when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
> >> >>> telling the truth on usenet.
> >> >> It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
> >> >> puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.

>
> >> > Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.

>
> >> The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
> >> unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.

>
> >Not sure if that's directed towards me or not, my real name and where
> >I live is posted elsewhere. My nic doesn't make my opinion,
> >experiences or knowledge any less valid than someone who uses their
> >real name on their account.

>
> Not using your real name is a sure sign of an intent to deceive. In
> fact, it IS deception.


My real name is out there, don't be so lazy and do some real research.
If it was on Travelocity.com you would have found it a long time ago.
 
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Siskuwihane

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On Apr 28, 12:40 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:03:21 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Apr 27, 3:22 am, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >> Mike Vandeman blathered:

>
> >> > On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:08:55 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
> >> > <[email protected]_tmail.com> wrote:

>
> >> >> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >>news:[email protected]
> >> >>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:09:25 +0100, "Ronnie Guthrie"
> >> >>> <[email protected]_tmail.com> wrote:

>
> >> >>>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:[email protected]
> >> >>>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Jensen
> >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> >> >>>>>> On Apr 24, 9:53 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:

>
> >> >>>>>>>> Evolution at work:
> >> >>>>>>>>http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/21/news/Bolivia-US-Tourist-Dea...
> >> >>>>>>>> LA PAZ, Bolivia: A U.S. tourist has been killed after losing control
> >> >>>>>>>> of his mountain bike and plunging off a cliff while biking down
> >> >>>>>>>> Bolivia's treacherous "Highway of Death," rescue officials said
> >> >>>>>>>> Monday.
> >> >>>>>>>> Firefighter Ramiro Torres told The Associated Press that Kenneth
> >> >>>>>>>> Mitchell died Saturday afternoon after falling about 230 feet (70
> >> >>>>>>>> meters).
> >> >>>>>>>> Officials at the U.S. Embassy in La Paz confirmed the 56-year-old
> >> >>>>>>>> Mitchell's death but declined to release his hometown.
> >> >>>>>>>> Mitchell was riding with one of several tourist agencies that offer
> >> >>>>>>>> guided trips down the mountain road, which is known for its
> >> >>>>>>>> breathtaking views, hairpin turns and steep drops.
> >> >>>>>>>> Bus accidents killed hundreds of Bolivians a year there until a new,
> >> >>>>>>>> paved highway was opened in 2007.
> >> >>>>>>> Dude, the guy was cycling on a ROAD. That is NOT mountain biking.

>
> >> >>>>>> Exactly.  I'm with you on the small-trail riding, Mike, but
> >> >>>>>> c'mon...this is a motor vehicle roadway.  Motor vehicles plunge to
> >> >>>>>> their deaths here too.
> >> >>>>> So you think riding a mountain bike on a mountain road has nothing to
> >> >>>>> do with mountain biking? You are weird.
> >> >>>> So what damage to the environment was he doing by riding a bike (mountain
> >> >>>> bike or whatever) on a road designed for motor vehicles?
> >> >>> Obviously, he rode off-road. DUH!
> >> >> I think not.  Check your facts first Mr Vandeman.  He was ridingon a "road"
> >> >> (http://tinyurl.com/2l84y6)

>
> >> > You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
> >> > He rode off-road! DUH!

>
> >> No dude, the deceased was out of control once he left the road. Whether
> >> or not he remained in physical contact with the bicycle after going over
> >> the cliff, he was not riding the bicycle at that point. Furthermore, the
> >> deceased was not intending to leave the road unless he was planning to
> >> kill himself.

>
> >> What happened is not riding off road. DUH!

>
> >The  report I read said

>
> >"On Monday, Kenneth Mitchell, 56, of Fullerton, California, died when
> >he tumbled from his bicycle and fell over a cliff along the highway."

>
> >That would make him a hiker since he wasn't on his bike at the time of
> >going over the cliff.

>
> This post makes you a moron, because you weren't in possession of a
> brain when you wrote it.


No, you using the work "boke" TWICE makes you the moron, moron.

>
> Clearly, he was riding his bike, because (1) he's a mountain biker,
> and that's what they do, and (2) if he had been hiking, he wouldn't
> have fallen off, because he would have had more secure footing.
>
> >Another cyclist was killed (same article) on the paved section on
> >Thursday, so much for the health benefits of road biking.

>
> I've never claimed any health benefits for road biking.


No one said you did, dummy. Quit thinking it's all about you, you
aging attention *****.