Bolivia's 'Death Road' claims life of U.S. mountain biker



T

Tom Sherman

Guest
Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:35:25 -0500, Tom Sherman
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:22:55 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
>>>> ?He rode off-road! DUH!
>>>>
>>>> Actually you're the one that is tarded. The roads are narrow...no room
>>>> for error. blind corners, etc. this happens all the time. You're just
>>>> an idiot. Like I said...take a flyover of the area next time.
>>> That has nothing to do with the fact that he rode the bike off of the
>>> road.

>> Dude, if the guy hit a low barrier wall and went off the bike over the
>> wall, he was no longer riding the bike. Duh! If the deceased lost
>> control and was sliding on the ground, he was no longer riding the bike,
>> whether or not he was in contact with it. Duh!

>
> That's part of mountain biking. It happens all the time. It certainly
> doesn't make him a hiker! He was mountain biking.


Mikey V. must think that crossing the Rocky Mountains by riding on the
paved shoulder of I-70 is mountain biking.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
 
M

marika

Guest
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]

>
> You are allowed to lie on the internet. That's what he did. But that
> makes him a liar.
> --



knew that was coming. :) Thanks

mk5000

"No, don't say that. We're not surrounded until they're all around of us."
Piper: --Charmed
 
M

marika

Guest
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>>

> It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock puppet
> becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.


Doesn't really good socking require running at least 4 simultaneously, with
all of them supporting each other's views? Rather than tossing one sock and
then creating another one later.

If the poster isn't using multisox all at once, then having only one
identity but using a pseudonym doesn't really accomplish the purpose you've
described

The more interesting sock is when someone uses an apparently real name, but
several people use the account but don't remember or care to learn what the
other users have said

now those are more fun

mk5000

"I was all in the bar when driftaa
Shorty damn came over then she hit the floor now
See through dress long hair light brown eyes
Look like Ms. Bo Peek"--Snoop Dog




>
 
M

marika

Guest
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]

> The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
> unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.
>


you can't really have a good discussion without stirring something up, but
for the record Marika is my real name
so how's everyone reacting to Wright's presentation at the Press Club this
am.

How's everyone reacting to the Nierian thing

http://allafrica.com/stories/200804281085.html
 
M

marika

Guest
"Siskuwihane" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Not sure if that's directed towards me or not, my real name and where
I live is posted elsewhere. My nic doesn't make my opinion,
experiences or knowledge any less valid than someone who uses their
real name on their account.

-----------

Interesting factoid.

mk5000

"I'm the life of the party
(Every time I show up)
I'm the life of the party
(Every time I blow up)"--Snoop Dog
 
M

marika

Guest
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]


>
> Not using your real name is a sure sign of an intent to deceive. In
> fact, it IS deception.
> --
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to




There can be other motivations involved. Anonymity to prevent spam or
something more loathsome. A lot of people have unlisted numbers and numbers
listed under phony names for the same reason.

It can be that the person posts in one group using a name and in another
group using another name and tries to keep the mail to and from each
separate

Could be different machines or whatever, but used for sorting

Could be that the person just identifies with a particular thought or idea
associated with the name and likes that name so uses it

I wouldn't take such great meaning in the choice of a handle or email
address for usenet as you have applied

Someone could be using what appears to be a real name and it isn't theirs,
and you'd never know.

I could get me an email address and call myself John Smith and you'd never
realize that I'm not unless I told you

That you are more comfortable talking to someone that appears to have an
anglo sounding name is one of those funny things about usenet that lots of
scam artists take advantage of. That's why all those Nigerians use anglo
sounding names and trick so many old ladies into sending them money

mk5000

"Yo, this next record right here, is a dedication
This dedicated to those, who've come to an end
Quit like Gladys Knight...
You know neither one of us wants
to be the first one to say goodbye"--waste of time, snoop dog
 
M

marika

Guest
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
> That's right, and your continual talking about ME is a very good use
> of your time. :) Idiot.
>


Good god. How insane. It's not about you, it's about Bolivia

mk5000

"You should bang this down on your block
All through your hood
Burnin trees...burnin trees
Ladies let the music run right through you"--snoop dog, cool
 
M

marika

Guest
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]


>
> What do you mean, "if"?!


Excellent, the burning bridges part is the important thing.


>Use of a fictitious name is a sure sign of
> dishonesty.
>




I know the sock's name but that's it



mk5000

"Is what he said to a loc as I dipped on out
Or as we say on the Eastside, you Cripped on out
See the sunshine and palm trees, livin' it up
Don't forget the block boys givin' it up"--Sets up, Snoop Dog
 
R

Ronnie Guthrie

Guest
"Siskuwihane" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]m...
> On Apr 27, 10:24 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:05:04 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>> >So Mikey than the logical extension is that I simply need to ride my
>> >rode
>> >bike on the trail and I am rode riding, nice logic dipwit.

>>
>> >If you die while having sex wearing hiking boots did you die as a hiker,
>> >or
>> >in your case maybe wearing a sheep outfit while having sex you actually
>> >died
>> >as a sheep.

>>
>> >Keep the entertainment going, I use to think you were simply a troll and
>> >this was your way to get off since you probably could never get a woman
>> >to
>> >sleep with you, but I finally realized you are simply as stupid as you
>> >sound.

>>
>> If anyone can understand what you just said, please let us know. It's
>> not any English that I recognize.

>
> Not english that you recognize? Like when you wrote the word "boke"
> not once, TWICE!


Lol! Poor Moke :O)
 
M

Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:23:13 -0400, "marika" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>>>

>> It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock puppet
>> becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.

>
>Doesn't really good socking require running at least 4 simultaneously, with
>all of them supporting each other's views? Rather than tossing one sock and
>then creating another one later.
>
>If the poster isn't using multisox all at once, then having only one
>identity but using a pseudonym doesn't really accomplish the purpose you've
>described
>
>The more interesting sock is when someone uses an apparently real name, but
>several people use the account but don't remember or care to learn what the
>other users have said
>
>now those are more fun


You obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about, LIAR.

>mk5000
>
>"I was all in the bar when driftaa
>Shorty damn came over then she hit the floor now
>See through dress long hair light brown eyes
>Look like Ms. Bo Peek"--Snoop Dog
>
>
>
>
>>

>
>
>

--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
M

Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:23:58 -0500, Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:35:25 -0500, Tom Sherman
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Vandeman blathered:
>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:22:55 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> You guys are INCREDIBLY stupid! How do you think he ended up off-road?
>>>>> ?He rode off-road! DUH!
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually you're the one that is tarded. The roads are narrow...no room
>>>>> for error. blind corners, etc. this happens all the time. You're just
>>>>> an idiot. Like I said...take a flyover of the area next time.
>>>> That has nothing to do with the fact that he rode the bike off of the
>>>> road.
>>> Dude, if the guy hit a low barrier wall and went off the bike over the
>>> wall, he was no longer riding the bike. Duh! If the deceased lost
>>> control and was sliding on the ground, he was no longer riding the bike,
>>> whether or not he was in contact with it. Duh!

>>
>> That's part of mountain biking. It happens all the time. It certainly
>> doesn't make him a hiker! He was mountain biking.

>
>Mikey V. must think that crossing the Rocky Mountains by riding on the
>paved shoulder of I-70 is mountain biking.


Only if done on a mountain bike.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
M

Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:16:09 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Apr 28, 12:45 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:07:43 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Apr 27, 8:28 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >> Siskuwihane wrote:
>> >> > On Apr 27, 12:34 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> marika wrote:

>>
>> >> >>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >>>news:[email protected]
>> >> >>>> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
>> >> >>> when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
>> >> >>> telling the truth on usenet.
>> >> >> It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
>> >> >> puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.

>>
>> >> > Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.

>>
>> >> The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
>> >> unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.

>>
>> >Not sure if that's directed towards me or not, my real name and where
>> >I live is posted elsewhere. My nic doesn't make my opinion,
>> >experiences or knowledge any less valid than someone who uses their
>> >real name on their account.

>>
>> Not using your real name is a sure sign of an intent to deceive. In
>> fact, it IS deception.

>
>My real name is out there, don't be so lazy and do some real research.
>If it was on Travelocity.com you would have found it a long time ago.


You are hiding, a sure sign of a LIAR.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
M

Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:37:49 -0400, "marika" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>
>
>>
>> Not using your real name is a sure sign of an intent to deceive. In
>> fact, it IS deception.
>> --
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to

>
>
>
>There can be other motivations involved. Anonymity to prevent spam or
>something more loathsome. A lot of people have unlisted numbers and numbers
>listed under phony names for the same reason.
>
>It can be that the person posts in one group using a name and in another
>group using another name and tries to keep the mail to and from each
>separate
>
>Could be different machines or whatever, but used for sorting
>
>Could be that the person just identifies with a particular thought or idea
>associated with the name and likes that name so uses it
>
>I wouldn't take such great meaning in the choice of a handle or email
>address for usenet as you have applied


When coupled with continual LYING, it's obvious that the intent is to
deceive.

>Someone could be using what appears to be a real name and it isn't theirs,
>and you'd never know.
>
>I could get me an email address and call myself John Smith and you'd never
>realize that I'm not unless I told you
>
>That you are more comfortable talking to someone that appears to have an
>anglo sounding name is one of those funny things about usenet that lots of
>scam artists take advantage of. That's why all those Nigerians use anglo
>sounding names and trick so many old ladies into sending them money
>
>mk5000
>
>"Yo, this next record right here, is a dedication
>This dedicated to those, who've come to an end
>Quit like Gladys Knight...
>You know neither one of us wants
>to be the first one to say goodbye"--waste of time, snoop dog

--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
M

marika

Guest
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>



>
> You obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about, LIAR.
>



Obviously

If you really want to make a dent in someone's credibility but keep your own
the usenet standard is as follows

Discussion followed by comma the person's name comma parentheses if that is
your real name close parentheses

works every time

Not much going on here. Waiting for the bus, I saw a guy with earbuds
attached
to his head singing his head off.

"Don't hate on us, we're fabulous"

And then, I missed entirety of Project RUnway. OUr building
had a party in the tv room because someone from our neigbhorhood is
involved, but
i didn't see the invite til too late.

My parents are coming to see my place on Tuesday. My father has been
fighting the blue screen
of death with his computer.
We will probably both go computer shopping together when we get back.

I'm thinking seriously about Macintosh this time. This is ridiculous.

Even this computer system here in the main office is slow now and they are
supposed
to have a terrific cable connection

I repeat I do not know what I am talking about

mk5000

"In these days
Without synaptic lapse
And level diagnostics detecting
Sensors are functioning optimally."

-Rod Summers, Yesterday
 
M

marika

Guest
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
\>
> Tell that to the mountain bikers. They LOVE talking about me, because
> it allows them to avoid talking about the harm that mountain biking
> does. So to help you, I'm attaching the information below.
>



why was that supposed to help _mee_

You have been arguing with these guys forever is a different approach
appropriate


mk5000


"In it y'all, been a Dogg, smoke you like a Menthol
You think you know? But this can't go
You think you'll blow? On my door? "--vato, snoop dog.
 
S

Siskuwihane

Guest
On Apr 29, 10:35 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:16:09 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Apr 28, 12:45 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:07:43 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane

>
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 27, 8:28 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> Siskuwihane wrote:
> >> >> > On Apr 27, 12:34 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> marika wrote:

>
> >> >> >>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>news:[email protected]
> >> >> >>>> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your realname.
> >> >> >>> when did they write the law(s) that require using real names andor
> >> >> >>> telling the truth on usenet.
> >> >> >> It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
> >> >> >> puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.

>
> >> >> > Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.

>
> >> >> The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
> >> >> unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.

>
> >> >Not sure if that's directed towards me or not, my real name and where
> >> >I live is posted elsewhere. My nic doesn't make my opinion,
> >> >experiences or knowledge any less valid than someone who uses their
> >> >real name on their account.

>
> >> Not using your real name is a sure sign of an intent to deceive. In
> >> fact, it IS deception.

>
> >My real name is out there, don't be so lazy and do some real research.
> >If it was on Travelocity.com you would have found it  a long time ago.

>
> You are hiding, a sure sign of a LIAR.


You posted I work for an airline, that is a lie, that makes you a
LIAR.
 
M

Mike Vandeman

Guest
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:26:36 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Apr 29, 10:35 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:16:09 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Apr 28, 12:45 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:07:43 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane

>>
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >On Apr 27, 8:28 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> Siskuwihane wrote:
>> >> >> > On Apr 27, 12:34 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> marika wrote:

>>
>> >> >> >>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>news:[email protected]
>> >> >> >>>> Every one of your posts is a lie, since you don't use your real name.
>> >> >> >>> when did they write the law(s) that require using real names and or
>> >> >> >>> telling the truth on usenet.
>> >> >> >> It all goes to accountability and therefore credibility - if a sock
>> >> >> >> puppet becomes discredited, it can be tossed for a new one.

>>
>> >> >> > Mike uses his real name and has ZERO credibilty.

>>
>> >> >> The scary part is that Mikey V. probably believes on what he is posting,
>> >> >> unlike some anonymous trolls whose intent is to stir things up.

>>
>> >> >Not sure if that's directed towards me or not, my real name and where
>> >> >I live is posted elsewhere. My nic doesn't make my opinion,
>> >> >experiences or knowledge any less valid than someone who uses their
>> >> >real name on their account.

>>
>> >> Not using your real name is a sure sign of an intent to deceive. In
>> >> fact, it IS deception.

>>
>> >My real name is out there, don't be so lazy and do some real research.
>> >If it was on Travelocity.com you would have found it  a long time ago.

>>
>> You are hiding, a sure sign of a LIAR.

>
> You posted I work for an airline, that is a lie, that makes you a
>LIAR.


No, that is just bad memory. I thought you said you work for an
airline.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 

>
> No, that is just bad memory. I thought you said you work for an
> airline.
> --


We thought you said you walked to the airport...we thought you said
you wrote a book...we thought you said "my country had better uses for
my talents back home" in regards to making fun of vets that went to
nam...we could go on and on...but now you state we make up all these
items above that you have said over and over and over in the past. You
have no credibility. Because you deceive and that is a sure sign of a
LIAR.