Bone Density and Low Carb



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Michael Ronayne

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I am a 52 year old male and have been on a low carb diet for about 18
months.
Currently 5'9", 180 lb.
Prior to that I was sedentary and overweight.
I initially lost and maintained 50 pound weight loss.
For the past year (after initial weight loss) I eliminated sugar, refined
flour products, and high starch foods like potatoes and rice from my diet.
I take a daily multivitamin/mineral supplement.
I exercise regularly (walking 2-3 miles and jogging 1-2 miles) 5 days/week.

Just before Thanksgiving, I developed hip pain while jogging.
Long story short, my hip was fractured.
Surgery and installation of pins was required.
I'll be on crutches for at least another 4 weeks.
Bone scan shows moderate loss (2.1).

Is anyone aware of a relationship between low carb and reduced bone density?
The research I have done so far actually indicates some potential benefits
wrt bone density.
While I have not been drinking milk, my vitamin and cheese intake should
have been providing adquate calcium.

Thanks in advance for any information or experience you may have.
Mike Ronayne
 
Michael Ronayne wrote:
>
> Is anyone aware of a relationship between low carb and reduced bone density?
> The research I have done so far actually indicates some potential benefits
> wrt bone density.
>
Mike,

I had my bone density tested this year with a scan. After 4 years of low
carbing it was completely normal. I'm a 56 year old woman.

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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:13:59 -0500, Michael Ronayne <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I am a 52 year old male and have been on a low carb diet for about 18
> months.
> Currently 5'9", 180 lb.
> Prior to that I was sedentary and overweight.
> I initially lost and maintained 50 pound weight loss.
> For the past year (after initial weight loss) I eliminated sugar, refined
> flour products, and high starch foods like potatoes and rice from my
> diet.
> I take a daily multivitamin/mineral supplement.
> I exercise regularly (walking 2-3 miles and jogging 1-2 miles) 5
> days/week.
>
> Just before Thanksgiving, I developed hip pain while jogging.
> Long story short, my hip was fractured.
> Surgery and installation of pins was required.
> I'll be on crutches for at least another 4 weeks.
> Bone scan shows moderate loss (2.1).
>
> Is anyone aware of a relationship between low carb and reduced bone
> density?
> The research I have done so far actually indicates some potential
> benefits
> wrt bone density.
> While I have not been drinking milk, my vitamin and cheese intake should
> have been providing adquate calcium.
>
> Thanks in advance for any information or experience you may have.
> Mike Ronayne
>
>

That's very unusual, as heavier people tend to have thicker bones just
because of the weight they carry.

--
Bob in CT
 
Michael Ronayne wrote:
|| I am a 52 year old male and have been on a low carb diet for about 18
|| months.
|| Currently 5'9", 180 lb.
|| Prior to that I was sedentary and overweight.
|| I initially lost and maintained 50 pound weight loss.
|| For the past year (after initial weight loss) I eliminated sugar,
|| refined flour products, and high starch foods like potatoes and rice
|| from my diet. I take a daily multivitamin/mineral supplement.
|| I exercise regularly (walking 2-3 miles and jogging 1-2 miles) 5
|| days/week.
||
|| Just before Thanksgiving, I developed hip pain while jogging.
|| Long story short, my hip was fractured.
|| Surgery and installation of pins was required.
|| I'll be on crutches for at least another 4 weeks.
|| Bone scan shows moderate loss (2.1).
||
|| Is anyone aware of a relationship between low carb and reduced bone
|| density? The research I have done so far actually indicates some
|| potential benefits wrt bone density.
|| While I have not been drinking milk, my vitamin and cheese intake
|| should have been providing adquate calcium.
||
|| Thanks in advance for any information or experience you may have.
|| Mike Ronayne

It could be a case of "**** happens." Not saying it is, but not everything
is a result of LCing (I assume you eat a goodly amount of veggies). The
regular impact of jogging might have had its toll.

What does "bone scan shows moderate loss" mean? Can they detect loss after
the fact?
 
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:01:57 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Michael Ronayne wrote:
> || I am a 52 year old male and have been on a low carb diet for about 18
> || months.
> || Currently 5'9", 180 lb.
> || Prior to that I was sedentary and overweight.
> || I initially lost and maintained 50 pound weight loss.
> || For the past year (after initial weight loss) I eliminated sugar,
> || refined flour products, and high starch foods like potatoes and rice
> || from my diet. I take a daily multivitamin/mineral supplement.
> || I exercise regularly (walking 2-3 miles and jogging 1-2 miles) 5
> || days/week.
> ||
> || Just before Thanksgiving, I developed hip pain while jogging.
> || Long story short, my hip was fractured.
> || Surgery and installation of pins was required.
> || I'll be on crutches for at least another 4 weeks.
> || Bone scan shows moderate loss (2.1).
> ||
> || Is anyone aware of a relationship between low carb and reduced bone
> || density? The research I have done so far actually indicates some
> || potential benefits wrt bone density.
> || While I have not been drinking milk, my vitamin and cheese intake
> || should have been providing adquate calcium.
> ||
> || Thanks in advance for any information or experience you may have.
> || Mike Ronayne
>
> It could be a case of "**** happens." Not saying it is, but not
> everything
> is a result of LCing (I assume you eat a goodly amount of veggies). The
> regular impact of jogging might have had its toll.
>
> What does "bone scan shows moderate loss" mean? Can they detect loss
> after
> the fact?
>
>

http://health.yahoo.com/health/centers/bone_health/106

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Bob in CT
 
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004, Michael Ronayne wrote:

> I am a 52 year old male and have been on a low carb diet for about 18
> months.
> Currently 5'9", 180 lb.
> Prior to that I was sedentary and overweight.
> I initially lost and maintained 50 pound weight loss.
> For the past year (after initial weight loss) I eliminated sugar, refined
> flour products, and high starch foods like potatoes and rice from my diet.
> I take a daily multivitamin/mineral supplement.
> I exercise regularly (walking 2-3 miles and jogging 1-2 miles) 5 days/week.
>
> Just before Thanksgiving, I developed hip pain while jogging.
> Long story short, my hip was fractured.
> Surgery and installation of pins was required.
> I'll be on crutches for at least another 4 weeks.
> Bone scan shows moderate loss (2.1).
>
> Is anyone aware of a relationship between low carb and reduced bone density?

Not that I've heard of. But the correlation w/ not getting enough
weight-bearing exercise (you said you were previously sedentary) is well
known. There are other factors as well, genetics certainly, I believe
caffeine may have been implicated as well.

While many of us think of loss of bone density being a problem of
post-menopausal women, it's not uncommon in men as well.

> The research I have done so far actually indicates some potential benefits
> wrt bone density.
> While I have not been drinking milk, my vitamin and cheese intake should
> have been providing adquate calcium.
>

Has your doctor put you on fosomax or something similar?


> Thanks in advance for any information or experience you may have.
>

Martha



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Revek - ASDLC
 
I was talking to a pharmacist today about calf muscle pain and he said that
men should take calcium supplements. He said that all we hear about is
women taking extra calcium, but men should as well and the muscle pain would
diminish. In fact, he said he gets this question several times a month,
i.e., the relationship between muscle cramping and lack of calcium. He
said to take calcium and magnesium together for best results. (I didn't even
mention the Atkins diet, either) So, it could be that although you "thought"
you were eating enough to get your calcium requirements, you really were
not....I am sorry to hear about your broken hip. I hope you get well as fast
as possible.

Pat in TX
 
"Michael Ronayne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am a 52 year old male and have been on a low carb diet for about 18
>months.
> Currently 5'9", 180 lb.
> Prior to that I was sedentary and overweight.
> I initially lost and maintained 50 pound weight loss.
> For the past year (after initial weight loss) I eliminated sugar, refined
> flour products, and high starch foods like potatoes and rice from my diet.
> I take a daily multivitamin/mineral supplement.
> I exercise regularly (walking 2-3 miles and jogging 1-2 miles) 5
> days/week.
>
> Just before Thanksgiving, I developed hip pain while jogging.
> Long story short, my hip was fractured.
> Surgery and installation of pins was required.
> I'll be on crutches for at least another 4 weeks.
> Bone scan shows moderate loss (2.1).
>
> Is anyone aware of a relationship between low carb and reduced bone
> density?
> The research I have done so far actually indicates some potential benefits
> wrt bone density.
> While I have not been drinking milk, my vitamin and cheese intake should
> have been providing adquate calcium.
>
> Thanks in advance for any information or experience you may have.
> Mike Ronayne
>
>

You know, I hate it when someone goes low-carb, suffers some medical
problems,.and then wants to blame the low carb lifestyle for their medical
problems.

I'm getting older, just like you. **** happens. We have to live with it.
Nobody's fault, just a consequence of getting older. I wish it was
different, but it isn't.
 
:
: You know, I hate it when someone goes low-carb, suffers some medical
: problems,.and then wants to blame the low carb lifestyle for their medical
: problems.
:
: I'm getting older, just like you. **** happens. We have to live with it.
: Nobody's fault, just a consequence of getting older. I wish it was
: different, but it isn't.
:
Ooh! Ooh! Can I blame my torn rotator cuff on my low carb diet? I have been
tellling people that I got it sky diving, but they look skeptical.

Pat in TX
:
 
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:15:18 -0600, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> :
> : You know, I hate it when someone goes low-carb, suffers some medical
> : problems,.and then wants to blame the low carb lifestyle for their
> medical
> : problems.
> :
> : I'm getting older, just like you. **** happens. We have to live with
> it.
> : Nobody's fault, just a consequence of getting older. I wish it was
> : different, but it isn't.
> :
> Ooh! Ooh! Can I blame my torn rotator cuff on my low carb diet? I have
> been
> tellling people that I got it sky diving, but they look skeptical.
>
> Pat in TX
> :
>
>

But in the case of low carb, there's a theory (which I'd call an urban
legend) that too much protein sucks the calcium from your bones. Many
people believe this is true and that low carb is a "high protein" diet.

--
Bob in CT
 
and I used to think that LC caused pregnancy!

Glitter Girl
"Bob Mauri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:15:18 -0600, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> :
>> : You know, I hate it when someone goes low-carb, suffers some medical
>> : problems,.and then wants to blame the low carb lifestyle for their
>> medical
>> : problems.
>> :
>> : I'm getting older, just like you. **** happens. We have to live with
>> it.
>> : Nobody's fault, just a consequence of getting older. I wish it was
>> : different, but it isn't.
>> :
>> Ooh! Ooh! Can I blame my torn rotator cuff on my low carb diet? I have
>> been
>> tellling people that I got it sky diving, but they look skeptical.
>>
>> Pat in TX
>> :
>>
>>
>
> But in the case of low carb, there's a theory (which I'd call an urban
> legend) that too much protein sucks the calcium from your bones. Many
> people believe this is true and that low carb is a "high protein" diet.
>
> --
> Bob in CT
 
I am a 67 yr old woman with osteoporosis. It runs in my mother's family and I
think it is an inherited trait quite apart from what you eat. I have always
taken good care of myself. Anyway, women are more at risk than men. My husband
and I have the same doctor and I have routinely been getting DEXA scans since I
was in late 50s. He's never had one.
 
Howard wrote:
> [email protected] (Dorot29701) wrote:
>
>
>>I am a 67 yr old woman with osteoporosis. It runs in my mother's family and I
>>think it is an inherited trait quite apart from what you eat. I have always
>>taken good care of myself. Anyway, women are more at risk than men.
>
>
> That's because women tend not to do any heavy lifting. Weight
> training is *the* most effective way to prevent osteoporosis.
>
> Another item that contributes to osteoporosis: Excess phosphorous in
> the diet (from cola beverages, mostly).
>

As I understand it, your diet during childhood and adolescence have a
huge impact on bone density too. There's a lot of concern that because
teenagers have substituted soda for milk they will have increased
problems as they age.

OTOH, there also seems to be a huge genetic component. I don't think my
mom has lifted anything heavier than her purse, ever, and she has never
eaten much dairy food as she doesn't like dairy, but she has not had any
problem with bone thinning at age 88. Her sister didn't either.

--
--Jenny Type 2 diabetes since 1998. Hba1c 5.7%
Low Carbing for 5 years. 140 lbs (goal)

Cut the "carbs" to respond to my email address.
-----------------------------------------------------
What they Don't Tell You About Diabetes Web Site
http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/

Jenny's Low Carb Diet Facts & Figures site
http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly Diagnosed.htm
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