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Freewheeling
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I guess I should add that it's VERY ILLEGAL to drink and carry. But since most restaurants have
liquour licenses it's accepted practice to open carry in a restaurant. Most people who carry
concealed use "inside the waistband" holsters, so all you need to do to convert to open carry is
simply do something like tuck in your shirt or remove your jacket. Only the butt of the gun is
usually exposed with an IWB holster, and most people don't even notice it. Really, people aren't
very observant.
--
--Scott
"Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed:
>
> Concealed carry in Virginia requires a permit, but since the state is
"shall
> issue" the permit just costs about $50 for the application and as long as
> you aren't nuts or a felon it has to be issued. Lots of states are
becoming
> "shall issue." Check http://www.packing.org for details.
>
> Also, even if you have a concealed carry permit you can't carry a
concealed
> weapon into a place that serves alcohol. However you *can* open carry, so
> one procedure is to simply tuck in your shirt or remove your jacket or
vest.
> There are a few (very few) places where you can't carry at all. The
Dulles
> corridor and airport is one.
>
> You'd also better be very careful about knowing exactly where you are, and
> that you don't inadvertently cross into DC or Maryland where the gun laws
> are very restrictive.
>
>
> --
> --Scott
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> > > "My thing against handguns is that I can't honestly say who I would
> > > trust to hold one."
> > >
> > > And I can't honestly say who I would trust to have the vote. But it
> doesn't
> > > matter who I would or wouldn't trust, because I'm not the arbiter. I
> live
> > > in Virginia, where once you've passed the 5-minute background check
> required
> > > to purchase a firearm you can "open carry." You don't even need a
> permit.
> > > As long as people can see you have a weapon, it's legal. (And most
> people
> > > don't even notice that you're carrying. They're just not that
> observant.)
> > > It is also a "shall issue" state, where once you've passed a more
> extensive
> > > background check that can take up to 45 days the state has no
discretion
> > > whatsoever about whether to issue you a permit to carry a concealed
> firearm.
> > > Virginia has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.
> > >
> > > This is right next to the District of Columbia, which has the most
> > > restrictive gun laws in the country. If you are caught with so much
as
> a
> > > spent .22lr cartridge in your car you can be sentenced to six months
in
> > > prison. DC has one of the highest property crime and murder rates in
> the
> > > country, if not THE highest. Crime isn't caused by the presence of
> guns,
> > > but by other factors entirely. However it is suppressed by a society
> that
> > > is legitimately armed, possibly giving enough respite that the causes
of
> > > crime can be addressed effectively and a decent social structure
> established
> > > that can resist crime in the long run.
> > >
> > > So far the Supreme Court has chosen not to take on the issue of
whether
> the
> > > "may issue" statutes and other restrictive and arbitrary laws against
> > > firearms in the various states violate the 2nd Amendment. The
> conventional
> > > wisdom is that they do not, but I wouldn't be so sanguine about the
> position
> > > the USC might take on this, once they choose to address it. The
> concealed
> > > carry movement was completely unforeseen by the NRA, but has now made
> > > significant inroads in approximately half of the states in the US. It
> may
> > > actually be more, but those are the ones in a discontinuous and
somewhat
> > > disorganized reciprocity network. Sooner or later this issue will go
to
> the
> > > USC.
> > >
> > > In my opinion the wording of the 2nd Amendment, when illuminated by
the
> > > writings of the founders themselves, is unambiguous.
> >
> > Scott, you have persuaded me 100% of the correctness of your position.
> > I say this so that others on this newsgroup will know that I am not
> > unreasonable and that I can be persuaded by cogent argument.
> >
> > I notice that Imus (of Imus in the Morning on MSNBC) carries a pistol
> > on his person and that you can plainly see it. At first I was a bit
> > shocked by this, but I have not gotten used to it and I am thinking
> > yes, everyone is safer because Imus is carrying a weapon. He is a
> > screwball of course, but he is more or less sane and I trust him as I
> > do most people. Without that minimum of trust living in society would
> > not be possible.
> >
> > I did not know about that Virginia stipulation that you had to "open
> > carry". Is this an option or a requirement I wonder? That is not a bad
> > idea, although conceal and carry seems to make more sense to me. It is
> > the idea of not knowing who is carrying and who is not carrying that
> > will be the greatest deterrent to crime.
> >
> > Ed Dolan - Minnesota
liquour licenses it's accepted practice to open carry in a restaurant. Most people who carry
concealed use "inside the waistband" holsters, so all you need to do to convert to open carry is
simply do something like tuck in your shirt or remove your jacket. Only the butt of the gun is
usually exposed with an IWB holster, and most people don't even notice it. Really, people aren't
very observant.
--
--Scott
"Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ed:
>
> Concealed carry in Virginia requires a permit, but since the state is
"shall
> issue" the permit just costs about $50 for the application and as long as
> you aren't nuts or a felon it has to be issued. Lots of states are
becoming
> "shall issue." Check http://www.packing.org for details.
>
> Also, even if you have a concealed carry permit you can't carry a
concealed
> weapon into a place that serves alcohol. However you *can* open carry, so
> one procedure is to simply tuck in your shirt or remove your jacket or
vest.
> There are a few (very few) places where you can't carry at all. The
Dulles
> corridor and airport is one.
>
> You'd also better be very careful about knowing exactly where you are, and
> that you don't inadvertently cross into DC or Maryland where the gun laws
> are very restrictive.
>
>
> --
> --Scott
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> > > "My thing against handguns is that I can't honestly say who I would
> > > trust to hold one."
> > >
> > > And I can't honestly say who I would trust to have the vote. But it
> doesn't
> > > matter who I would or wouldn't trust, because I'm not the arbiter. I
> live
> > > in Virginia, where once you've passed the 5-minute background check
> required
> > > to purchase a firearm you can "open carry." You don't even need a
> permit.
> > > As long as people can see you have a weapon, it's legal. (And most
> people
> > > don't even notice that you're carrying. They're just not that
> observant.)
> > > It is also a "shall issue" state, where once you've passed a more
> extensive
> > > background check that can take up to 45 days the state has no
discretion
> > > whatsoever about whether to issue you a permit to carry a concealed
> firearm.
> > > Virginia has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.
> > >
> > > This is right next to the District of Columbia, which has the most
> > > restrictive gun laws in the country. If you are caught with so much
as
> a
> > > spent .22lr cartridge in your car you can be sentenced to six months
in
> > > prison. DC has one of the highest property crime and murder rates in
> the
> > > country, if not THE highest. Crime isn't caused by the presence of
> guns,
> > > but by other factors entirely. However it is suppressed by a society
> that
> > > is legitimately armed, possibly giving enough respite that the causes
of
> > > crime can be addressed effectively and a decent social structure
> established
> > > that can resist crime in the long run.
> > >
> > > So far the Supreme Court has chosen not to take on the issue of
whether
> the
> > > "may issue" statutes and other restrictive and arbitrary laws against
> > > firearms in the various states violate the 2nd Amendment. The
> conventional
> > > wisdom is that they do not, but I wouldn't be so sanguine about the
> position
> > > the USC might take on this, once they choose to address it. The
> concealed
> > > carry movement was completely unforeseen by the NRA, but has now made
> > > significant inroads in approximately half of the states in the US. It
> may
> > > actually be more, but those are the ones in a discontinuous and
somewhat
> > > disorganized reciprocity network. Sooner or later this issue will go
to
> the
> > > USC.
> > >
> > > In my opinion the wording of the 2nd Amendment, when illuminated by
the
> > > writings of the founders themselves, is unambiguous.
> >
> > Scott, you have persuaded me 100% of the correctness of your position.
> > I say this so that others on this newsgroup will know that I am not
> > unreasonable and that I can be persuaded by cogent argument.
> >
> > I notice that Imus (of Imus in the Morning on MSNBC) carries a pistol
> > on his person and that you can plainly see it. At first I was a bit
> > shocked by this, but I have not gotten used to it and I am thinking
> > yes, everyone is safer because Imus is carrying a weapon. He is a
> > screwball of course, but he is more or less sane and I trust him as I
> > do most people. Without that minimum of trust living in society would
> > not be possible.
> >
> > I did not know about that Virginia stipulation that you had to "open
> > carry". Is this an option or a requirement I wonder? That is not a bad
> > idea, although conceal and carry seems to make more sense to me. It is
> > the idea of not knowing who is carrying and who is not carrying that
> > will be the greatest deterrent to crime.
> >
> > Ed Dolan - Minnesota