Bradley Wiggins: a pro cyclist with integrity.

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  1. tcklyde

    tcklyde New Member

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    Why is he the only one? On Cyclingnews.com:

    It's worth noting that Wiggins finished 124th in the Tour. Where do you think he would finish if most of the peloton wasn't doping?
     
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  2. Flyer's.Finale!

    Flyer's.Finale! New Member

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    Wiggins cannot be believed either.

    Just another red herring like David Montcoutie.

    As if Codifis could ever employ riders refusing to inject peptide hormones.

    Cofidis has a long history of doping, lying, getting caught, then liying and doping again and again.

    Home to Lance Armstrong, Philippe Gaumont, Robert Sassone, Frank Vandenbrouke, Daivid Millar, Stephen Roche's son and Bradley Wiggins.

    Cofidis a like a halfway house for addicts.
     
  3. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    How the hell do you know?
    Do you know Wiggins?

    My information is that Wiggins is clean.
     
  4. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    Wiggins has given a series of interviews to papers like the Sunday Times over the past few months in which he has clearly stated his position regarding the doping cases and how difficult he found last years TDF.
    He said that he found the 2006 TDF very tough, physically and that although he completed the TDF, he said that it was very hard and that he quickly realised how hard it is to perform day in, day out.

    Wiggins, as you probably know, was a predominantly a track rider before moving in to the professional road racing circuit.
    I've always doubted that track guys could make it as top road man.
     
  5. The Double Zero

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    Hey limerickman, Haven't you seen every second post on the forum? According to FF all cyclists are on the juice.
     
  6. Flyer's.Finale!

    Flyer's.Finale! New Member

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    Your medical record information, blood banking data files, your team insider, your whistlerblower?----It may just be more Cofidis marketing propaganda and wishful thinking.

    The media and Nike claims Lance Pharmstrog is clean too. Tyler Hamilton, Floyd Landis, David Millar, Bjarne Riss, Ivan Basso, Jan Ulrich and another track medalist named Brad, Bradley McGee, a top ten Giro GC. Track pursuiters can indeed be made to climb high mountains---as it were. But no pharmaceutical integrity whatsoever is left on these teams or riders.

    What we do know after PDM, Festina, TVM, USPO medical waste dumping, Cofidis, Liquigas, Mapei, Quick-Step, Kelme, Tammy Thomas, Balco and Operation Puerto is this: Anyone presuming that a TDF ride does not abuse:

    testosterone
    hCG
    Clomid
    hGH
    insulin glucose
    amphetamines
    corticosteroids
    Salbutalmol inhalation
    EPO

    has lost their sporting judgment. They all dope, even down to a 123 GC spot.

    Presuming otherwise is 'threater of the absurb'.
     
  7. The Double Zero

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    Where did you pull Brad McGee as being a doper from, I have not heard of this. Next you will be telling me Cadel is as well.
     
  8. wolfix

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    I read that interview with Wiggans. I like the guy. But the part that I was surprised in his interview is his interpretation of doping in road cycling. He is from the track. Personally I believe 99% of the trackies are doped. Different dope, but dope. At least the top contenders. He destroyed Brad McGee back a few years in the 4 kilo Pursuit...... And it seems that the Australian trackies are the worst offenders in the cycling world....

    I hope he is really clean. But like you Lim, I can not see a short track specialist making it in the Grand tours. A possible stage win ...maybe.

    { I think I had B Wiggans as a rider last year in that cycling game]
     
  9. fscyclist

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    I'd like to believe he's clean, but who knows. Maybe he's just the next Gatlin and taking the "best defense is a good offense" strategy.

    The most convincing reason to believe he's clean is he finished the tour in 124th place, otherwise the words mean nothing at this point.
     
  10. The Double Zero

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    This is a bit harsh, Just because we are good.
     
  11. wolfix

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    It wasn't meant to be a insult. The Australians are very good on the track. Maybe the best in the world. But they have had their problems within the federations and among the riders...... And that's why I find it hard to believe BWiggans dominated BMcGee..........
     
  12. Flyer's.Finale!

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    A clean ride from Cofidis? Hmmmmmm...like me reconsider my position.

    Bradley McGee claims to have an insulin/blood sugar management problem. Seems most Stage Racers and ex-trackies suffer from hypoglycemia and asthma.

    It is truly amazing such medically ill people can ride a bicycle, let alone finish a Grand Tour---as Bradley Wiggins did.

    Nike endorsed clean people too:
    Marion Jones
    Tim Montgomery
    CJ Hunter
    Kelli White
    Regina Jacobs
    Tori Edwards
    Justin Gatlin
    Barry Bonds
    Jason Giambi
    Lance Armstrong

    Some peple still believe Floyd Landis is clean.
    Some people still believe Tyler Hamilton is clean
    Some people still believe Cofidis is clean despite its long history of doping.
    Some people think Marion & Lance are clean.

    Apparently some people wish to believe that Bradley Wiggin's recent PR statements mean he does not personally follow the basic peptide hormone therapies that his teammates and rivals do. btw: Lance said that too.

    It's called picking and choosing your favorite drug cheat. Then quietly suffer in silence after their drug cheat's gynocolgist office is raided by police.

    NEVER trust an endorsed athlete's words re: pharmaceutical rejuvination.
     
  13. Bro Deal

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    He could be clean. If he isn't, he should get a refund.

    In the mid 90's to the early 00's I think everyone was juicing except a few oddballs like Bassons. Now the information indicates that a definite class system that has evolved. The top guys a loaded to the gills while teams either don't want to spend money on the lower end riders or are worried about increasing the risk of getting caught. How much must that suck to be one of the riders who is not getting help, knowing that without it you can never be competitive? It would be like being stuck in a permanent caste system.
     
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    Sean Eadie? Jobie Dajka? Mark French? Marc Brindel? French testified that Eadie had injected him,and although Eadie was cleared, there will always be a shadow over him.
    Dopers...like all the other top trackies.
     
  15. meehs

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    What you have to understand FF, is that on this forum it's perfectly okay to dope unless you get caught. Understand? Once you're caught (and only when you are caught) you are dubbed a miserable, low-life, drug-cheat while forum members go on in blissful niavety believing that "their guys" are clean. Since you're "new" here I thought I'd clarify the prevailing mentality on the forum. Landis BAD! Peirrero GOOD! You see? Hope this helps.
     
  16. limerickman

    limerickman Moderator

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    Yeah, I've always had a difficulty understanding how a trackman could become a roadman (I mean a one day/GT winning roadman).
    Both disciplines are exclusive and it seems to me that you're either one or the other.
    Just my opinion.

    In respect of Wiggins - like you, I'd have selected him for a stage win in a GT
    but never to win a GT.
    And Wiggins has stated this himself in interview - he says that whatever ideas he may have had of winning a stage race, they were wiped away completely during 2006.
     
  17. Dondare

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    And so are their pets.
     
  18. Flyer's.Finale!

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    Me no get it? Eddie Merkx was 'caught' three times. He is still cool.

    Hypocrisy loaded with blissful ignorance? Blind stupidity needed for the presumption of innocence?

    Themes replacing facts. (Cofidis = still bad) (Basso = still Brillo)

    Nike = corrupt

    Pereiro = Salbutalmol

    Floyd = a Jack Daniels guzzling Mennonite with a gunshot dead father-in-law

    I think what you are suggesting is that sports fans enjoy picking and choosing their favorite drug cheats. Whether the cheats are Australian drug cheats or English, velodrome or the open road, it is only a personal bias.
     
  19. meehs

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    Haha! Good points. Once again I can't argue with you.
     
  20. helmutRoole2

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    There's a guy here, in Miami, an American, my age who raced for ONCE in the 80s. He started here in Florida, went to Spain as a Cat.3 on an exchange program with Mapei. One in a million thing, but a true talent.

    Anyway, Manolo Saiz saw him drop two of his riders in a stage race. He tested him, discovered his VO2max and signed him. The kid didn't come home for two years. This guy still places in NRC races today at 40. He's done the Giro, the Veulta and all the classics except PR, but down on the food chain within ONCE.

    This guy said, and I believe him, that Saiz would round up all the top riders for a two-week high altitude camp and when they came back they were "unnaturally" flying.


    Sounds like it's been going on for a while. I think for a while, only the top riders were doping, but with the internet and the growth of knowledge, i think they are all... sadly, Wiggins included.
     
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