Bravo Alberto Contador!



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limerickman said:
Contador was in full control 2009 TDF stage 17 - Bourg-Saint-Maurice Le Grand-Bornand 169.5 km.

Granted the Schlecks did stay with Contador but I reckon Contador was nowhere near his limit.
Remember it was the Schlecks who made the initial breakaway and only Kloden and Contador could stay with the Schleck brothers.
Then Contador made a break and broke Kloden.
It was clear that this was not part of the plan (ie Contador to break Kloden).
Contador immediately eased off once he saw Kloden in trouble.

And then once they saw the had AC isolated they attacked all the way to the finish.

But more importantly neither of Schlecks had it to break Contador at that point of the stage.

Which is why it was stupid for AC to attack. There was no need. All he accomplishes was knocking his loyal teammates off the podium.

If they had they would have tried to break Contador when he (AC) slowed down for Kloden 9having seen Kloden also in trouble).

Don't know what you are talking about. The Schlecks and AC finished together.

No, I reckon AC was nowhere near his limit on stage 17.

One of 2 things happend on that finish, neither of which looks good for Alberto.
1. He dropped his teammate, gave the stage win to another team on some stupid agreement and faked a lunge at the end to make it look good. or,

2. He dropped his teammate, was isolated by the Schlecks and was so gassed at the finish he couldn't win the stage.

And as for Ventoux - he held back to make sure that Astana got two riders on the podium.
Again he was nowhere near his limit.

He was strong enough to handle Andy's final attack because he spent 2k out of the final 5 riding Lances wheel. Look at the tape. Not saying it was a bad idea but clearly in that wind at the finish all 4 of them were gassed.
 

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limerickman said:
Contador was in full control 2009 TDF stage 17 - Bourg-Saint-Maurice Le Grand-Bornand 169.5 km.
Granted the Schlecks did stay with Contador but I reckon Contador was nowhere near his limit.
Remember it was the Schlecks who made the initial breakaway and only Kloden and Contador could stay with the Schleck brothers.
Then Contador made a break and broke Kloden.

It was clear that this was not part of the plan (ie Contador to break Kloden).
Contador immediately eased off once he saw Kloden in trouble.

And then once they saw the had AC isolated they attacked all the way to the finish.
limerickman said:
But more importantly neither of Schlecks had it to break Contador at that point of the stage.

Which is why it was stupid for AC to attack. There was no need. All he accomplishes was knocking his loyal teammates off the podium.
limerickman said:
If they had they would have tried to break Contador when he (AC) slowed down for Kloden 9having seen Kloden also in trouble).

Don't know what you are talking about. The Schlecks and AC finished together.
limerickman said:
No, I reckon AC was nowhere near his limit on stage 17.

One of 2 things happend on that finish, neither of which looks good for Alberto.

1. He dropped his teammate, gave the stage win to another team on some stupid agreement and faked a lunge at the end to make it look good. or,

2. He dropped his teammate, was isolated by the Schlecks and was so gassed at the finish he couldn't win the stage even after doing nothing more than sitting on all the way down the mountain and to the finish.
limerickman said:
And as for Ventoux - he held back to make sure that Astana got two riders on the podium.
Again he was nowhere near his limit.

He was strong enough to handle Andy's final attack because he spent 2k out of the final 5 riding Lances wheel. Look at the tape. Not saying it was a bad idea but clearly in that wind at the finish all 4 of them were gassed.
 

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i agree: congrats to contador on overcoming the entire peloton, including his own team and DS. he was clearly the class of the field. i look forward to seeing him battle against the schlecks in the coming years. could be some epic battles there.

lance showed his true colors when he skipped the team party, IMHO. radioshack and armstrong: 2 self-serving entities well past their prime.
 

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AC is a phenom who has a long way to go to mature. Most likely screwed Klodin out of a podium with his silly attack. He was however completely dominant this year and though I am a Lance fan as well I don't see him beating AC physically. Mentally and with good tactics maybe.

I realize there is still a lot of LA hatred on here, but the guy finished 3rd after a 3 year plus absence. Clearly he was not completely fit, but was still impressive and rode a smart race. You gotta give the guy some credit??
 

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jackhammer111 said:
He was strong enough to handle Andy's final attack because he spent 2k out of the final 5 riding Lances wheel. Look at the tape. Not saying it was a bad idea but clearly in that wind at the finish all 4 of them were gassed.


I thought thats exactly whats expected from a team supporting its captain on yellow. Lance experienced the same support many many times...
 

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I guess I will jump on in. Only time (like next year) will tell us all who is the Boss. Both Alberto and Lance demostrated strong apptitude. It was obvious Alberto was much stronger this year. Make no mistake, there will be some battles in 2010. In regards to the drama between Alberto and Lance, I fault Brunyeel for not setting Lance straight from the very start. There can only be one captain and that was Alberto since he was the strongest during the year. If Brunyeel had set the pecking order from the gun, instead of waiting to see how the race unfolded, then picking the captain. I suppose the drama was entertaining. Great tour!
 

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Fhernand said:
I guess I will jump on in. Only time (like next year) will tell us all who is the Boss. Both Alberto and Lance demostrated strong apptitude. It was obvious Alberto was much stronger this year. Make no mistake, there will be some battles in 2010. In regards to the drama between Alberto and Lance, I fault Brunyeel for not setting Lance straight from the very start. There can only be one captain and that was Alberto since he was the strongest during the year. If Brunyeel had set the pecking order from the gun, instead of waiting to see how the race unfolded, then picking the captain. I suppose the drama was entertaining. Great tour!


Well said!

I guess this is a prime example of why friendshid shouldn't be mixed with bussines.
 

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Fhernand said:
If Brunyeel had set the pecking order from the gun, instead of waiting to see how the race unfolded, then picking the captain.

Lance dropping back for bottles during the Tour de France? :eek: no way!
 

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Fhernand's got it right. Bruyneel should have established AC as captain (in LA's mind...everyone else already knew it). I was excited to see LA come back and give it a go...but winning Nevada City doesn't make you captain of a Pro Tour team. And skipping the team party was absolute rubbish. As to next year, get real guys...its not going to be AC versus LA. Kloden or Levi will be stronger than LA on Radioshack. It'll be AC vs the Schlecks and whoever the next up and coming star might be. And that could make for a more exciting Tour than this year's.
 

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Fhernand's got it right. Bruyneel should have established AC as captain (in LA's mind...everyone else already knew it). I was excited to see LA come back and give it a go...but winning Nevada City doesn't make you captain of a Pro Tour team. And skipping the team party was absolute rubbish. As to next year, get real guys...its not going to be AC versus LA. Kloden or Levi will be stronger than LA on Radioshack. It'll be AC vs the Schlecks and whoever the next up and coming star might be. And that could make for a more exciting Tour than this year's.

Hear hear. It'll be Alberto vs Andy. I don't expect Armstrong to be much of a factor next year (as much as I would like to see him win another TDF). He might have to battle Wiggins for third again. I think it would be wiser for him to bring in a strong young rider (such as Andy Schleck... or Wiggins), mentor him and bring him to a win.
 

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This picture said it all. This is how the team felt about Alberto in yellow. They cast him out of the middle of the podium and to the side. Lance standing in the middle. *******! I like the guy but I did loose some respect for his game.
 

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Contador was the best... he beat everyone despite his team. He stayed quite despite the abhonimem attacks from his teammates.
Finally he towed the old Armstrong on the Ventoux to be sure that he could not twitt on his bad attitude.
Have we seen some twitt thanking Contador for the work done for the profit of his elder?
 

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Fhernand said:
This picture said it all. This is how the team felt about Alberto in yellow. They cast him out of the middle of the podium and to the side. Lance standing in the middle. *******! I like the guy but I did loose some respect for his game.
No. You are wrong.

They are just ranked. The strongest is on the right of the picture, so Lance is only 4th!
 

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Contador was the best... he beat everyone despite his team. He stayed quite despite the abhonimem attacks from his teammates.
Finally he towed the old Armstrong on the Ventoux to be sure that he could not twitt on his bad attitude.
Have we seen some twitt thanking Contador for the work done for the profit of his elder?

there will be no tweets about contador's work there because we will soon have the lance fans showing us beyond the shadow of a doubt that lance had his hand on alberto's back from the very bottom of the mt. ventoux and pushed contador over the line.
 

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I agree to a point. AC was the best rider this year and deserved to win. However, he has left a very sour taste by having a go at Lance and now saying he never respected him nor will ever.
Like him or not, lance has won tdf 7 times, an AC, 2! As Lance said on his twitter, there is no "I" in team and I think Lance new that AC was riding better and was not going to beat him. To have a dig at him like that after the race show his true selfish, arrogant personality. He has now lost me and I am sure a number of other fans. AC needs to remmeber that no one rider can win tdf on their own, they all need a team, would you want to ride with that sort of a rider in next years TDF?
 

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as for the assessment of liggett and sherwen's commentary, i whole-heartedly agree. those two spent the last three weeks flopping between how great armstrong still is before whipsawing to how we should just admire his ability to keep up with those rotten kids to how great he will be, blah, blah, blah. most embarrassing was when that dynamic duo nearly fell out of their chairs when the cameras caught armstrong going quickly on the outside when the race still had far too many meters to ride. they were gushing about how we might just see armstrong vie for the final stage victory! those two should be ashamed to call another race.

as for contador's performance, again, agreement. armstrong couldn't touch contador's back wheel when the stage's mattered. and i'm not surprised that armstrong was so chary in his praise, congratulating contador and in the next breath intimating that contador isn't race smart. of course he has four grand tour victories already...

congratulations to alberto contador. you seized the yellow jersey and then defended it with aplomb. bravo.

Contador isn't that race smart... he just got away with it by being so damned strong in the mountains. He was lucky that he only last seconds when the peloton split in the crosswinds during the first week, lucky too that Shrek Jr didn't make the front group - not that 41 seconds would have been insurmountable but losing minutes like Zulle did to Lance in 99 (6 minutes when US Postal basically TTT'd for 50 miles and crushed Banesto) would have been crushing. He got lucky that day and he knew it - didn't stray far from the front after that one did he.

... but that said, he put in one hell of a performance and deserved the win.

Sad that Andy didn't try to keep the attacks going on Ventoux though for the sake of himself. Contador was showing a fair few grimaces towards the top.
 

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I agree to a point. AC was the best rider this year and deserved to win. However, he has left a very sour taste by having a go at Lance and now saying he never respected him nor will ever.
Like him or not, lance has won tdf 7 times, an AC, 2! As Lance said on his twitter, there is no "I" in team and I think Lance new that AC was riding better and was not going to beat him. To have a dig at him like that after the race show his true selfish, arrogant personality. He has now lost me and I am sure a number of other fans. AC needs to remmeber that no one rider can win tdf on their own, they all need a team, would you want to ride with that sort of a rider in next years TDF?

You're right:
Armstrong 37 years old, 7 TDF's
Contador 26 years old, 4 GT's (2 TDF's, 2 more than Lance at that age)

And not a bit of that matters as far as I'm concerned. What matters is what Bruyneel, the DS, stated before the race even started, "... It's hard to find a better stage race rider than Alberto. He has worked very hard, earning the right to represent our team as the leader this July." Armstrong needs to check his humongous ego at the door and listen to his DS. There is no "Lance" in team.

As far as Alberto taking digs at Armstrong, I would say he maintained his civility quite well for having to deal with an egomaniac trying to cornhole him into a support position throughout the entire race. Lance was the 4th strongest rider on the team for crying out loud! Give me a break!
 

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LA only finished 1:10 down to Andy Schleck. LA had a decent shot at second on the podium its just that AC neutralised his attack on a couple of stages. Not that LA could have attacked on every stage, he said himself he was at his limit a couple of times, but to say the 1:10 deficit to AS is the difference in LA doping or not is STUPID. Race tactics decided the deficit to AS. Even some of the 5 minute deficit to AC can be contributed to LA not following AC when he attacked. I still dont think LA could have beaten AC, but I definitely think he could have beaten AS had he followed AC.

ROTFL. Bats in the belfry. This guy gets crazier every year. On Vontoux Andy Schleck could have dropped LA like overalls at quittin' time. In fact he did repeatedly. He only stopped because his brother was having an off day and could not follow. Andy and Contador were so much stronger than everyone else on Vontoux that it was not even funny.

And this was on a course with no real mountain stages. Literally there were none. Verbier and Arcalis are not steep enough nor long enough for a good climber to benefit much. Even Vontoux was not a good mountain stage because there is nothing before it to soften up the legs; and Vontoux is usually very windy, making it problematic for climbing specialists. The one mountain stage that delivered was the one to Le Grand-Bornand, and that stage ended with a descent.

On a real Tour de France route, Armstrong would be crushed by Contador and A. Schleck.
 

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rapc24 said:
I agree to a point. AC was the best rider this year and deserved to win. However, he has left a very sour taste by having a go at Lance and now saying he never respected him nor will ever.

Nope. Contador is standing up to a bully who is used to everyone staying silent about his outrageous behavior.

Contador will retire with more grand tour wins than Armstrong. Armstrong knows this, and it burns him up.