So Tyler has a book coming out soon, aye? Very coincidental timing don't ya think? A rider who's been used to the $'s that came from riding at such a high level spends a couple of years without income and now finds himself in a position where he needs the cash. Two positives and a current 8 year ban, more than a slight implication in Operation Puerto, financial records showing over $50,000 spent on doping and the Olympic gold medal debacle (B sample could not be tested to validate A sample positive test). An upstanding individual whose everyword should be believed.Originally Posted by sappie66 .
Well, even though it is late, it is better than never. Tyler Hamilton comes clean and tells the truth. And finally, some direct evidence, as opposed to circumstantial. I don't think Landis ever came out and said "I saw Lance inject himself with EPO."
Originally Posted by swampy1970 .
So you think he's not in it for the publicity and he's doing it for the good of the sport, out of the kindness of his own heart?
Why do you think that he waited until the Amgen Tour of California was on to drop this rather than go on TV when everyone is out pulling 5 hour rides in the rain during November?
Amgen Tour + " I saw Lance take drugs" = great publicity for new book.
You might see him as a Mr Saviour Pt2, I see him as a proven liar and cheat who needs the money - just like Landis. I'd guy the guy the same amount of time as the guy that tried to steal my car a few years ago...
Mr Chimera couldn't go out gracefully could he...
... and really, do you trust anyone who blames their own positive for blood doping on a chimera? Really?
What's Hincapie's excuse? Or is he too on the L'Equipe payroll with David Walsh, Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton, Karen O'Reilly, Filippo Simeoni, Frankie Andreu, **** Pound, all the laboratoryOriginally Posted by swampy1970 .
So you think he's not in it for the publicity and he's doing it for the good of the sport, out of the kindness of his own heart?
Why do you think that he waited until the Amgen Tour of California was on to drop this rather than go on TV when everyone is out pulling 5 hour rides in the rain during November?
Amgen Tour + " I saw Lance take drugs" = great publicity for new book.
You might see him as a Mr Saviour Pt2, I see him as a proven liar and cheat who needs the money - just like Landis. I'd guy the guy the same amount of time as the guy that tried to steal my car a few years ago...
Mr Chimera couldn't go out gracefully could he...
... and really, do you trust anyone who blames their own positive for blood doping on a chimera? Really?
It is amazing how the civil authorities in various countries appear to be able to get to the truth of the matter of cheating - and yet we're still stuck with ****wits like Pat McQuaid making excuses/evading questions/providing ******** answers.Originally Posted by davereo .
Hincapie is not blabbing away to the media. If he is called to testify he will be a credible witness. I believe with Landis and Hamilton a lot of holes will be poked into their testimony. A gag order should be in place to protect the integrity of the witness and testimony. This case is being tried in the court of public opinion. Which could influence the pool of potential jurors.
It's not looking too good for Lance. The truth will eventually come out and I am begining to believe it wont be pretty.
Personally I was against this grand jury investigation to begin with. I thought it was a waste of tax payers money. At least now I am convinced we should plow on and reveal the fraud.
This a good day.Originally Posted by Bro Deal .
It has been a long time coming. On Sunday CBS will report that George Hincapie testified to the grand jury that both he and Armstrong used EPO. Let's see Armstrong trash Hincapie like he has everyone else who has spoken the truth. Other teammates are also coming forward. Scott Mercier says that U.S. Postal's doctor gave him steroids and a training schedule for their use. The big question is whether Vaughters will have the cojones go public instead of just using his supposed anti-dope stance for free publicity.
It is a great day.
All the fanboys can suck it.
Originally Posted by hpearson .
Tyler is bottom feeding white trash. I could give a **** about the doping, cheating, lying with conviction and confession. YOU DON'T RAT OUT YOUR FRIENDS to save your own skin and certainly not for profit and certainly not on TV.
Having said that they need to put LA on suicide watch. What the hell do you tell your 12 year old son.
Wow....... and is George Hincapie "bottom feeding white trash" also?Originally Posted by hpearson .
Oh and right on about UCI and WADA. What a bunch of assholes. This in 110% their fault. Had they done there job you still might have a 7 time LA winner, but clean. By not enforcing it they agreed it was OK and therefore as far as I am concerned it is just part of the sport then and no rider is guilty. I say let them all of the hook and indict the incompetent assholes at WADA and the UCI.
Lance didnt cheat! What is going to get him is the emphatic, defiant and arrogant lying.
Consider also telling your son that sometimes even good people get caught up in doing things they know they shouldn't; that everyone makes mistakes and does things they might regret later. He could learn how some "little" compromises, easily made in the heat of the moment, can change everything down the road. I'd want him to learn that most of the time secrets will come out, that it takes real courage to stand up and confess some things, but that if we do most of the time we will be respected for our honesty and maybe even forgiven. But even if we're not, it's better that way then when someone else exposes us.Originally Posted by sappie66 .
Wow....... and is George Hincapie "bottom feeding white trash" also?
The only thing you take issue with is the concept of "friends ratting out friends"?
You are saying that it wasn't LA's fault that he wasn't clean, and then you say he "didn't cheat".
You think WADA and UCI take the same position regarding LA? UCI has been consistently on LA's side, WADA is definitely not.
Sorry, I guess I need not respond to this.... there is so much more, but I will refrain.
What do I tell my 12-year-old son? Don't have one. I tell my 11-year-old son that there are people out there who cheat and cheating is bad. I also tell him that I think LA is a cheat and why I think that (but only if he asks). He can make his own decision on potential heroes
Seems you would tell your 12-year-old son that cheating is okay because everyone does it? I hope that is not the case.
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