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Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> GeoB wrote:
> >
> > I may as well jump in here, why should you guys have all the fun?
> >
> > So.. we are at a point where we can't criticize our president? When did we cross that line? With
> > Homeland Security Act I or II?
> >
> > GeoB
>
> Criticizing Republican Presidents (or "President") is unpatriotic and borders on being
> treasonable. Criticizing Democratic Presidents however, is patriotic.
>
> Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

Who are these men who say that criticizing a Republican President is unpatriotic and treasonable and
who are these men who say that criticizing a Democratic President is patriotic? Are these real men
or just your usual straw men? You wouldn't be a Democrat by any chance, would you?

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> I will not discuss issues with Mr. Sherman because his views are repugnant, odious and obscene,
> but there is a limit to what can be put up with. When he steps over the line of common decency I
> will call him on it in terms that even he can understand, dense as he is. That is what I meant by
> "telling you what you are". As far as I can tell from followinng his posts for the past year he
> has never once given an inch on any issue no matter how cogent the arguments. He is an ideologue
> and a propagandist and he is not susceptible to discussion despite appearances to the contrary. I
> have more than made up my mind about him.
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota

I believe that Mr. Dolan should at least give me credit for owning two recumbents that were built in
Minnesota. :)

And yes, it would take a lot to convince me that the Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM] is not the
best all-around use lowracer, so I am an ideologue. ;)

Tom Sherman - Various HPV's Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

Happiness is sitting on an Earth Cycles seat.
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > GeoB wrote:
> > >
> > > I may as well jump in here, why should you guys have all the fun?
> > >
> > > So.. we are at a point where we can't criticize our president? When did we cross that line?
> > > With Homeland Security Act I or II?
> > >
> > > GeoB
> >
> > Criticizing Republican Presidents (or "President") is unpatriotic and borders on being
> > treasonable. Criticizing Democratic Presidents however, is patriotic.
> >
> > Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)
>
> Who are these men who say that criticizing a Republican President is unpatriotic and treasonable
> and who are these men who say that criticizing a Democratic President is patriotic? Are these real
> men or just your usual straw men? You wouldn't be a Democrat by any chance, would you?
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Mr. Dolan,

With all due respect, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the definition of sarcasm.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear. -
Edmund Burke
 
"Edward Dolan" skrev

> Trust me on this - you are never funny!

I was actually being sarcastic. Theres a difference. Anyway I'm sorry to hear if you have medical
conditions that require you to take medication. That was not the kind of medication I was talking
about though.

Anyway since replying to these threads obviously makes you foam around the mouth so why not stop
reading/replying to every one or *gasp* actually learn how to killfile them or people? It's very
simple. *dumps Mr. Dolan in the bin*

Regards Mikael
 
Perhaps Mr. Larrington might find this Brit's outrage with the French and the "old Europeans" at
least of some interest.

Subject: FRENCH DISSING IN THE U.S.A, Mar 17 2003 By Tony Parsons
http://www.mirror.co.uk/columnists/tonyparsons/

I HOPE that the continent of Europe never again needs help from the United States of America. I
hope that there's never some murderous little tyrant - another ******, another Milosevic - that
Europe needs help in taming. I hope that there's never some economic catastrophe that requires
American dollars to make it right, as they did at the end of the Second World War. I hope that the
euro experiment works. I hope that all those peace-loving souls in Belgium, Germany and France can
somehow muster an army to protect themselves. I hope that the continent I live on never again
needs to go cap in hand to the Americans. Because if that black day ever comes, I have the feeling
that America might just tell Europe where to go. On the eve of war, there is a tangible anger in
America. But surprisingly little of it is directed against the Iraqis. It is the French who are
detested. "This is all about oil," the Brits hear all the time. And Americans think it is "all
about oil" too. The $50 billion worth of oil contracts that France has with Iraq. In American
eyes, that is why the French are so keen to avoid war. Anti-French feeling in the United Kingdom
is never more than a passing fancy, a jokey bit of "hop-off-you-Frogs" banter. Not in America. The
cafeteria in the House of Representatives no longer serves French fries - chips to you and me. Now
they sell something called "freedom fries". That sounds nuts - and of course it is. But when a
furious Congresswoman presents a "bring home our dead" bill demanding that the 75,000 American men
and boys who died in France during two world wars be dug up and brought home, you realise that
this is more than "hop-off-you-Frogs" banter. Congresswoman Ginny Brown-Waite says, "The remains
of our brave servicemen should be buried in patriotic soil, not in a country that has turned its
back on the US and on the memory of Americans who fought and died there." That's the difference
between the British and the Americans. We do not feel that the British casualties in two world
wars died to liberate the French. We believe that we were fighting for our nation's survival. Just
like the Russians. It is different for Americans. Throughout the 20th century, through two world
wars and one Cold War, America gave all the blood and money Europe needed to keep it free. They
feel that the current crisis has proved that Europeans are, when all is said and done, an
ungrateful bunch of Euro bastards who do not give a flying baguette about the 75,000 American
graves in Europe. Anti-European feeling goes right across the board of public opinion, even among
the millions of Americans who are passionately against attacking Iraq. America is united in
feeling betrayed by Europe. America is finally starting to understand that - to Europe's eternal
shame - there is an opinion that 9/11 was America's comeuppance. Secretaries and waiters leaping
from the top of the burning twin towers? The fault of American arrogance. A terrified
four-year-old girl cowering at the back of a hijacked plane? Blame it on America's support for
Israel. A stewardess with her throat slit by a carpet cutter? One in the eye for American
imperialism.

Those 3,000 dead, murdered on live television? Europe blames America.

When 9/11 happened, you might have expected to see Palestinians dancing in the street.

But who would have expected the grim look of satisfaction on the faces of old Europe?

But the British are absolved of Europe's sins. Those who are against the war admire Britain
because we had a peace march where one million people filled the streets.

Those for the war admire Britain because Tony Blair has been a true friend to America. And
although the man on the M25 might make jibes about Blair being a "poodle", among American hawks
our Prime Minister is seen as dangerously strong-willed.

THERE is a school of opinion in America that believes the war could have been over by last
Christmas if Tony Blair had not been so keen on proceeding through the correct diplomatic
channels. Nobody calls Tony Blair a poodle in the USA.

It has been good to be British in America these past few weeks. For America has been reminded
that Britain is the best friend it has in the world, joined by blood, language, history, instinct
and culture.

When will the British wake up from their pathetic little dreams of being Europeans and realise
that we have been looking for our future in all the wrong places?

Who wants to be European today? Who wants to be an ungrateful, unprincipled, two-faced, pacifist,
Euro-grasping, oil-hungry Lilliputian?

No matter what happens over the coming days and weeks, it is true what they say.

The English Channel is far wider than the Atlantic.

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." --Edmund
Burke (1729-97)

"Lord, We pray for peace but understand it is worth fighting for.

Protect our troops as they protect us.

Bless them and their families for their selfless acts. Amen/

--
Gator Bob Siegel EasyRacers Ti Rush
 
Robert Siegel wrote:
>
> Perhaps Mr. Larrington might find this Brit's outrage with the French and the "old Europeans" at
> least of some interest.
>
> Subject: FRENCH DISSING IN THE U.S.A, Mar 17 2003 By Tony Parsons... Nobody calls Tony Blair a
> poodle in the USA....

Tony Blair is G.W. Bush's poodle.

Tom Sherman - USA

If we are an arrogant nation, they will resent us, if we're a humble nation, but strong, they'll
welcome us. - G.W. Bush, 2000 Inaugural Speech
 
And many of you protesters are Saddam Hussein's apologists. So which is worse, poodle for a possibly
misguided but basically decent man or apologist for a mass murderer.

--
Gator Bob Siegel EasyRacers Ti Rush "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Robert Siegel wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps Mr. Larrington might find this Brit's outrage with the French
and
> > the "old Europeans" at least of some interest.
> >
> > Subject: FRENCH DISSING IN THE U.S.A, Mar 17 2003 By Tony Parsons... Nobody calls Tony Blair a
> > poodle in the USA....
>
> Tony Blair is G.W. Bush's poodle.
>
> Tom Sherman - USA
>
> If we are an arrogant nation, they will resent us, if we're a humble nation, but strong, they'll
> welcome us. - G.W. Bush, 2000 Inaugural Speech
 
"Robert Siegel" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> And many of you protesters are Saddam Hussein's apologists. So which is worse, poodle for a
> possibly misguided but basically decent man or apologist for a mass murderer.
>
>

Put him in front of me and hand me the gun and I'll shoot him myself. Now where's your arguement?
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> By the way, congradulations on having one of the greatest Prime Ministers in British history. It
> seems when the chips are down Britain always manages to come up with a great Prime Minister. Mr.
> Blair is in the same league as Thatcher and Churchill.

LOL. Blair is nothing but Bush's lapdog, and is hardly any more fit to lead a nation than Dubya.

This is good: <http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/special_reports/images/1autocue.ram>

--
Danny Colyer (remove safety to reply) ( http://www.juggler.net/danny ) Recumbent cycle page:
http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/recumbents/ "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." -
Thomas Paine
 
Thatcher....U liked Margaret Thatcher???
............................................................ "Danny Colyer"
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > By the way, congradulations on having one of the greatest Prime Ministers in British history. It
> > seems when the chips are down Britain always manages to come up with a great Prime Minister. Mr.
> > Blair is in the same league as Thatcher and Churchill.
>
> LOL. Blair is nothing but Bush's lapdog, and is hardly any more fit to lead a nation than Dubya.
>
> This is good: <http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/special_reports/images/1autocue.ram>
>
> --
> Danny Colyer (remove safety to reply) ( http://www.juggler.net/danny ) Recumbent cycle page:
> http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/recumbents/ "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." -
> Thomas Paine
>
 
Joshua Goldberg wrote in disbelief:
> Thatcher....U liked Margaret Thatcher???

From what I remember (I was 6 when she became PM and 16 when she was booted out, so too young to be
an avid follower of politics), Thatcher was a great prime minister in the early years, before she
went mad and lost touch with the electorate.

Even when she was wrong, she always had great conviction and always seemed to do what she believed
was right - that deserves respect.

--
Danny Colyer (remove safety to reply) ( http://www.juggler.net/danny ) Recumbent cycle page:
http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/recumbents/ "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." -
Thomas Paine
 
"Danny Colyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Joshua Goldberg wrote in disbelief:
> > Thatcher....U liked Margaret Thatcher???
>
> From what I remember (I was 6 when she became PM and 16 when she was booted out, so too young to
> be an avid follower of politics), Thatcher was a great prime minister in the early years, before
> she went mad and lost touch with the electorate.
>
> Even when she was wrong, she always had great conviction and always seemed to do what she believed
> was right - that deserves respect.

I heard her speak after you claim she went mad and lost touch. I thought she was wonderful. She must
have been truly grand prior to that, but you were so young how could you have known. Too bad you
weren't intellectually developed during that time so you could properly appreciate her now.
 
Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> >
> > Tom Sherman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > > GeoB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I may as well jump in here, why should you guys have all the fun?
> > > >
> > > > So.. we are at a point where we can't criticize our president? When did we cross that line?
> > > > With Homeland Security Act I or II?
> > > >
> > > > GeoB
> > >
> > > Criticizing Republican Presidents (or "President") is unpatriotic and borders on being
> > > treasonable. Criticizing Democratic Presidents however, is patriotic.
> > >
> > > Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)
> >
> > Who are these men who say that criticizing a Republican President is unpatriotic and treasonable
> > and who are these men who say that criticizing a Democratic President is patriotic? Are these
> > real men or just your usual straw men? You wouldn't be a Democrat by any chance, would you?
> >
> > Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>
> Mr. Dolan,
>
> With all due respect, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the definition of sarcasm.
>
> Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)
>
Mr Sherman,

With all due respect, I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the definition of straw men.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Danny Colyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > By the way, congradulations on having one of the greatest Prime Ministers in British history. It
> > seems when the chips are down Britain always manages to come up with a great Prime Minister. Mr.
> > Blair is in the same league as Thatcher and Churchill.
>
> LOL. Blair is nothing but Bush's lapdog, and is hardly any more fit to lead a nation than Dubya.
>
It's PRESIDENT Bush to you jerk. But hey, keep on sayng Dubya. It marks you as the disrespectful
******* that you are.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Mikael Seierup" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> "Edward Dolan" skrev
>
> > Trust me on this - you are never funny!
>
> I was actually being sarcastic. Theres a difference. Anyway I'm sorry to hear if you have medical
> conditions that require you to take medication. That was not the kind of medication I was talking
> about though.
>
> Anyway since replying to these threads obviously makes you foam around the mouth so why not stop
> reading/replying to every one or *gasp* actually learn how to killfile them or people? It's very
> simple. *dumps Mr. Dolan in the bin*
>
> Regards Mikael

What do you mean "foam around the mouth"? I am just being my usual pleasent agreeable self. Even my
cats love me. However, when I detect rudeness and incivility in others, what is there to do except
return it in spades. I just don't know any other way.

Regards to you too,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
The thing about Tony Parsons, though, the defining aspect of his personality, is that he is a
complete ****. It was good of him to marry Julie Burchill, thereby making only two people miserable
instead of four, though admittedly they divorced and she now hates him. This is the only matter on
which Ms. Burchill and I agree. He was an irritating little git when he wrote for the NME in the
mid-70's, so it's good to see that age has not mellowed him one iota.

Dave Larrington - http://legslarry.crosswinds.net/
===========================================================
Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
http://www.bhpc.org.uk/
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What Danny said. Though I can see the likeness between Blair and Thatcher in that they are both
half[1]-crazed megalomaniacs with a yearning to be President for Life.

When Thatch was deposed, the normally staid and sensible computer security manager at my then
employers came dancing out of his cubicle singing "Ding-Dong, the witch is dead!"

1 - a lot more than half nowadays in Thatcher's case

Dave Larrington - http://legslarry.crosswinds.net/
===========================================================
Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
http://www.bhpc.org.uk/
===========================================================
 
[email protected] (Edward Dolan) wrote in news:[email protected]:

> "Danny Colyer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> > By the way, congradulations on having one of the greatest Prime Ministers in British history.
>> > It seems when the chips are down Britain always manages to come up with a great Prime Minister.
>> > Mr. Blair is in the same league as Thatcher and Churchill.
>>
>> LOL. Blair is nothing but Bush's lapdog, and is hardly any more fit to lead a nation than Dubya.
>>
> It's PRESIDENT Bush to you jerk. But hey, keep on sayng Dubya. It marks you as the disrespectful
> ******* that you are.
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>

You forgot the H! - DuHbya :)
 
"Dave Larrington" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> What Danny said. Though I can see the likeness between Blair and Thatcher in that they are both
> half[1]-crazed megalomaniacs with a yearning to be President for Life.
>
> When Thatch was deposed, the normally staid and sensible computer security manager at my then
> employers came dancing out of his cubicle singing "Ding-Dong, the witch is dead!"
>

So are we supposed to be in awe of your cubicle mate's political sophistication? I don't know about
others in the group, but I find you and your pals offer little more than the sophomoric name calling
you seem to enjoy so much.
 
> It's PRESIDENT Bush to you jerk. But hey, keep on sayng Dubya. It marks you as the disrespectful
> ******* that you are.

Respect is earned, not demanded. I been watchin' him for some time now, and I ain't feelin' no
respect. And you might take note that as a freedom-loving Amerikan, I DON'T have to respect him. If
you feel I need to anyway, maybe you better compare yersef to the 1930's Germans, see the
resemblance.

Wham! Bam! "Ha ha! A rifle butt to your kidneys teach you some er-spect and will getcha down on yer
knees for our Pres'dent Bush!" sneered the jack-booted thug.

read up on fascism.
 
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