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Bbc3
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"EP" wrote:
> Is this acceptable???
Pretty poor troll. However, "Bowling for Columbine" by director Michael Moore (www.michaelmoore.com)
was a terrific movie. I'd like to tie all of this back to bike racing, but screw it.
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Bill
> Is this acceptable???
Pretty poor troll. However, "Bowling for Columbine" by director Michael Moore (www.michaelmoore.com)
was a terrific movie. I'd like to tie all of this back to bike racing, but screw it.
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Bill
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Sharon Peters
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>Subject: Brian Trdina has two guns!!! From: "EP" [email protected] Date:
>1/28/2003 6:50 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>Is this acceptable???
As long as the serial numbers are still there.............
-----Sharon Peters Personal Trainer to the Stars-------- Remove "No Junk" to reply please!!!
>1/28/2003 6:50 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>Is this acceptable???
As long as the serial numbers are still there.............
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Tom Kunich
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"EP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Is this acceptable???
Why not I have so many I don't have a count off hand.
news:<[email protected]>...
> Is this acceptable???
Why not I have so many I don't have a count off hand.
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Lance Indurain
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Velorodsmom
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"EP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Is this acceptable???
It has been my experience (and believe me, I have plenty) that guys who own guns, especially a lot
of guns, have significant shortcoming in other areas if you know what I mean.
Mom
news:<[email protected]>...
> Is this acceptable???
It has been my experience (and believe me, I have plenty) that guys who own guns, especially a lot
of guns, have significant shortcoming in other areas if you know what I mean.
Mom
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Brian Trdina
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Actually, I have several guns. If Mr. EP would've read carefully, he'd know that only 2 of them are
worth more than my car. "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "EP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Is this acceptable???
>
> Why not I have so many I don't have a count off hand.
worth more than my car. "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "EP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Is this acceptable???
>
> Why not I have so many I don't have a count off hand.
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Brian Trdina
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"VeloRodsMom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> It has been my experience (and believe me, I have plenty) that guys who own guns, especially a lot
> of guns, have significant shortcoming in other areas if you know what I mean.
I have no problem believeing that you have lots of experience with guys.
> It has been my experience (and believe me, I have plenty) that guys who own guns, especially a lot
> of guns, have significant shortcoming in other areas if you know what I mean.
I have no problem believeing that you have lots of experience with guys.
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Kyle Legate
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On 27 Jan 2003, Lance Indurain wrote:
> "EP" wrote in message
> > Is this acceptable???
>
> I have eight or ten, is that o.k. with you?
>
Why do americans have so many guns? Are you afraid of being more than 10 feet from a weapon of
some kind?
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> "EP" wrote in message
> > Is this acceptable???
>
> I have eight or ten, is that o.k. with you?
>
Why do americans have so many guns? Are you afraid of being more than 10 feet from a weapon of
some kind?
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Brian Trdina
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"Bikerecker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Brian Trdina wrote:
> >Actually, I have several guns. If Mr. EP would've read carefully, he'd
know
> >that only 2 of them are worth more than my car.
>
> OK, what's in the quiver? I am thinking about carrying a gun on solo rides. For the dogs, of
course.
> Checking into permitting, etc. Greg
Despite all the assholes that you meet who try to run you off the road, I haven't really ever felt
the need to carry when riding. (I don't know where you train, though). If I were gonna do make the
decision to carry while riding, I'd get something small, easy to operate, and really safe: maybe a
Ruger .22 revolver. Finding shorts that will accomadate an inside-the-belt holster might be tough
(you certainly don't want a gun bouncing around in your jersey pocket).
As for permitting, it varies by state. www.nra.org will have info on how to get a concealed carry
permit for your state.
news:[email protected]...
> Brian Trdina wrote:
> >Actually, I have several guns. If Mr. EP would've read carefully, he'd
know
> >that only 2 of them are worth more than my car.
>
> OK, what's in the quiver? I am thinking about carrying a gun on solo rides. For the dogs, of
course.
> Checking into permitting, etc. Greg
Despite all the assholes that you meet who try to run you off the road, I haven't really ever felt
the need to carry when riding. (I don't know where you train, though). If I were gonna do make the
decision to carry while riding, I'd get something small, easy to operate, and really safe: maybe a
Ruger .22 revolver. Finding shorts that will accomadate an inside-the-belt holster might be tough
(you certainly don't want a gun bouncing around in your jersey pocket).
As for permitting, it varies by state. www.nra.org will have info on how to get a concealed carry
permit for your state.
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Brian Trdina
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"Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Why do americans have so many guns? Are you afraid of being more than 10 feet from a weapon of
> some kind?
>
>
Because many Americans recognize that posessing the means to resist attack makes one
inherently safer.
> Why do americans have so many guns? Are you afraid of being more than 10 feet from a weapon of
> some kind?
>
>
Because many Americans recognize that posessing the means to resist attack makes one
inherently safer.
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Kyle Legate
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, brian trdina wrote:
> "Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > Why do americans have so many guns? Are you afraid of being more than 10 feet from a weapon of
> > some kind?
> >
> Because many Americans recognize that posessing the means to resist attack makes one
> inherently safer.
>
Nice flawed arguement there. The safety arguement flies just as well for guns as it does for SUVs.
Why do you feel that you're prone to attack?
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> "Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > Why do americans have so many guns? Are you afraid of being more than 10 feet from a weapon of
> > some kind?
> >
> Because many Americans recognize that posessing the means to resist attack makes one
> inherently safer.
>
Nice flawed arguement there. The safety arguement flies just as well for guns as it does for SUVs.
Why do you feel that you're prone to attack?
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Lance Indurain
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[email protected] (VeloRodsMom) wrote in message
>
> It has been my experience (and believe me, I have plenty) that guys who own guns, especially a lot
> of guns, have significant shortcoming in other areas if you know what I mean.
>
> Mom
Mom, that's not what you told me last night. You could barely handle my "gun!"
Lance Indurain
>
> It has been my experience (and believe me, I have plenty) that guys who own guns, especially a lot
> of guns, have significant shortcoming in other areas if you know what I mean.
>
> Mom
Mom, that's not what you told me last night. You could barely handle my "gun!"
Lance Indurain
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Brian Trdina
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"Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Nice flawed arguement there. The safety arguement flies just as well for guns as it does for SUVs.
Huh...?
> Why do you feel that you're prone to attack?
>
I don't feel I'm prone to attack. I don't feel like I'm prone to having my house catch on fire,
either. However, I still have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen so that I may be in a position to
react if it does, though.
What's the problem with posessing the means to protect ones' self? Are you one of those eunichs who
think that its someone else's job to make sure that they're safe?
> Nice flawed arguement there. The safety arguement flies just as well for guns as it does for SUVs.
Huh...?
> Why do you feel that you're prone to attack?
>
I don't feel I'm prone to attack. I don't feel like I'm prone to having my house catch on fire,
either. However, I still have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen so that I may be in a position to
react if it does, though.
What's the problem with posessing the means to protect ones' self? Are you one of those eunichs who
think that its someone else's job to make sure that they're safe?
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Jtn
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kick ass thread. I knew there were other cyclist out there that enjoy the smell of burnt powder.
to bikerecker who wants to pack while riding. don't do it. your life would be fricken miserable
after you did even if its self defense. pepper spray is the way to go. believe me. as many ********
laws that are currently out, there isn't one that makes it legal to shoot some drunken slob trying
to kill you with a 2000 lb blunt instrument on wheels. you get ****ed just for kicking his ass, let
alone saving the rest of the earth from him propagating.
hey "mom" come hunting with me sometime and you could see the best use for a firearm that Americans
have the right to own. there is a good side to them besides the bad that you choose only to
remember. those ducks and elk are much less tainted than that chicken or beef you buy at the grocery
store all neatly packaged. remember though, going back to your roots to get your food is not for the
faint of heart. of course if your a vegetarian, that's o.k. too. more power to you. doesn't work for
me though.
guns, bicycles and Americans. just one of those things, I.e. the French husband and his mistress is
also just one of those things.
known gun owners from the euro side, pardon the spelling errors. duclo LaSalle Miguel indurain jean
Claude keely, "he loves hand guns from America the most" bernard hinault young vandenbrooke - maybe
this is why he went nuts though? does he still own the hunt camp in Germany?
its not wrong to own guns , its wrong to misuse guns.
to bikerecker who wants to pack while riding. don't do it. your life would be fricken miserable
after you did even if its self defense. pepper spray is the way to go. believe me. as many ********
laws that are currently out, there isn't one that makes it legal to shoot some drunken slob trying
to kill you with a 2000 lb blunt instrument on wheels. you get ****ed just for kicking his ass, let
alone saving the rest of the earth from him propagating.
hey "mom" come hunting with me sometime and you could see the best use for a firearm that Americans
have the right to own. there is a good side to them besides the bad that you choose only to
remember. those ducks and elk are much less tainted than that chicken or beef you buy at the grocery
store all neatly packaged. remember though, going back to your roots to get your food is not for the
faint of heart. of course if your a vegetarian, that's o.k. too. more power to you. doesn't work for
me though.
guns, bicycles and Americans. just one of those things, I.e. the French husband and his mistress is
also just one of those things.
known gun owners from the euro side, pardon the spelling errors. duclo LaSalle Miguel indurain jean
Claude keely, "he loves hand guns from America the most" bernard hinault young vandenbrooke - maybe
this is why he went nuts though? does he still own the hunt camp in Germany?
its not wrong to own guns , its wrong to misuse guns.
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Bruce Johnston
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Canadians don't understand our fascination with guns and think we don't get
it. I think some of us grew up watching old westerns on TV as well as modern ones like Clint
Eastwood and Dirty Harry, and feel we need them or definitely as a sense of pride in a hobby.
Especially sporting guns. Today's youth didn't see the old westerns but got the new generation
of Hollywood movies and video games to thank for their fascination with guns, even the kids in
schools with guns. As for me I never really had any guns except a 22 and a shotgun that sits in
the garage. I don't need to be ten feet near a gun and they are old guns from my teen years
where I went out doing target practice. I don't keep any guns in the house. I have thought
about carrying a gun on my MB rides but only because of bears and mountain lions, rattlesnakes
on the trail.
Bruce
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"Kyle Legate" <[email protected]r.ca> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, brian trdina wrote:
>
> > "Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > > Why do americans have so many guns? Are you afraid of being more than
10
> > > feet from a weapon of some kind?
> > >
> > Because many Americans recognize that posessing the means to resist
attack
> > makes one inherently safer.
> >
> Nice flawed arguement there. The safety arguement flies just as well for guns as it does for SUVs.
> Why do you feel that you're prone to attack?
>
> ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [email protected] Kyle Legate [email protected]
>
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it. I think some of us grew up watching old westerns on TV as well as modern ones like Clint
Eastwood and Dirty Harry, and feel we need them or definitely as a sense of pride in a hobby.
Especially sporting guns. Today's youth didn't see the old westerns but got the new generation
of Hollywood movies and video games to thank for their fascination with guns, even the kids in
schools with guns. As for me I never really had any guns except a 22 and a shotgun that sits in
the garage. I don't need to be ten feet near a gun and they are old guns from my teen years
where I went out doing target practice. I don't keep any guns in the house. I have thought
about carrying a gun on my MB rides but only because of bears and mountain lions, rattlesnakes
on the trail.
Bruce
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"Kyle Legate" <[email protected]r.ca> wrote in message
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[email protected]...> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, brian trdina wrote:
>
> > "Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > > Why do americans have so many guns? Are you afraid of being more than
10
> > > feet from a weapon of some kind?
> > >
> > Because many Americans recognize that posessing the means to resist
attack
> > makes one inherently safer.
> >
> Nice flawed arguement there. The safety arguement flies just as well for guns as it does for SUVs.
> Why do you feel that you're prone to attack?
>
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>
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Top Sirloin
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:35:15 GMT, "Brian Trdina" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I don't feel I'm prone to attack. I don't feel like I'm prone to having my house catch on fire,
>either. However, I still have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen so that I may be in a position to
>react if it does, though.
>
>What's the problem with posessing the means to protect ones' self? Are you one of those eunichs who
>think that its someone else's job to make sure that they're safe?
rbr is just to the left of ANSWER.
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Scott Johnson "Good luck, fat people." -Jamie Woon
>I don't feel I'm prone to attack. I don't feel like I'm prone to having my house catch on fire,
>either. However, I still have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen so that I may be in a position to
>react if it does, though.
>
>What's the problem with posessing the means to protect ones' self? Are you one of those eunichs who
>think that its someone else's job to make sure that they're safe?
rbr is just to the left of ANSWER.
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Kyle Legate
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Brian Trdina wrote:
> What's the problem with posessing the means to protect ones' self? Are you one of those eunichs
> who think that its someone else's job to make sure that they're safe?
>
This is all you need to protect yourself:
1. intelligence
2. awareness of your surroundings
3. non-lethal means of deterrent, as a last resort.
If you are thinking of protecting yourself with a gun from another person with a gun, you will be
shot dead reaching for it.
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> What's the problem with posessing the means to protect ones' self? Are you one of those eunichs
> who think that its someone else's job to make sure that they're safe?
>
This is all you need to protect yourself:
1. intelligence
2. awareness of your surroundings
3. non-lethal means of deterrent, as a last resort.
If you are thinking of protecting yourself with a gun from another person with a gun, you will be
shot dead reaching for it.
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Kurgan Gringion
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"Brian Trdina" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> "Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Nice flawed arguement there. The safety arguement flies just as well for guns as it does
> > for SUVs.
>
> Huh...?
>
> > Why do you feel that you're prone to attack?
> >
>
> I don't feel I'm prone to attack. I don't feel like I'm prone to having
my
> house catch on fire, either. However, I still have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen so that I may
> be in a position to react if it does, though.
>
> What's the problem with posessing the means to protect ones' self? Are
you
> one of those eunichs who think that its someone else's job to make sure
that
> they're safe?
Guides in Montana quit using guns as protection against Grizzlies. The replacement is a large
cannister of pepper spray. The pepper spray never misses because it shoots out a large cloud. It has
the added benefit of not killing the bear whose territory has just been invaded.
The drawback of a gun is that if a non-lethal shot is delivered to the bear, the human is screwed.
It is not a simple matter to deal a lethal shot to a Grizzly, especially under extreme stress.
>
> "Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Nice flawed arguement there. The safety arguement flies just as well for guns as it does
> > for SUVs.
>
> Huh...?
>
> > Why do you feel that you're prone to attack?
> >
>
> I don't feel I'm prone to attack. I don't feel like I'm prone to having
my
> house catch on fire, either. However, I still have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen so that I may
> be in a position to react if it does, though.
>
> What's the problem with posessing the means to protect ones' self? Are
you
> one of those eunichs who think that its someone else's job to make sure
that
> they're safe?
Guides in Montana quit using guns as protection against Grizzlies. The replacement is a large
cannister of pepper spray. The pepper spray never misses because it shoots out a large cloud. It has
the added benefit of not killing the bear whose territory has just been invaded.
The drawback of a gun is that if a non-lethal shot is delivered to the bear, the human is screwed.
It is not a simple matter to deal a lethal shot to a Grizzly, especially under extreme stress.
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Brian Trdina
Guest
"Kyle Legate" <[email protected]
> > What's the problem with posessing the means to protect ones' self? Are
you
> > one of those eunichs who think that its someone else's job to make sure
that
> > they're safe?
> >
> This is all you need to protect yourself:
> 1. intelligence
> 2. awareness of your surroundings
> 3. non-lethal means of deterrent, as a last resort.
>
> If you are thinking of protecting yourself with a gun from another person with a gun, you will be
> shot dead reaching for it.
>
Kyle,
I agree that each of the things that you list are important. However, I also believe that reasonably
forseeable situations arise where access to and knowledge of guns is indespensible to ensure one's
protection.
That being said, I'm intriuged by your apparent knowledge of the subject, and I'd like to hear
more regarding your first hand experience using guns for self defense. I'd be particluarly
interested in learning why that experience has lead you to the conclusion that they're
unnecessary. Until then, I will assume that you're merely another blow-hard ass who has never
taken the time/energy to educate themselves in the proper use of firearms, but is willing to
demagoge the issue because 'guns are scary.'
Thanks in advance.
Brian
> > What's the problem with posessing the means to protect ones' self? Are
you
> > one of those eunichs who think that its someone else's job to make sure
that
> > they're safe?
> >
> This is all you need to protect yourself:
> 1. intelligence
> 2. awareness of your surroundings
> 3. non-lethal means of deterrent, as a last resort.
>
> If you are thinking of protecting yourself with a gun from another person with a gun, you will be
> shot dead reaching for it.
>
Kyle,
I agree that each of the things that you list are important. However, I also believe that reasonably
forseeable situations arise where access to and knowledge of guns is indespensible to ensure one's
protection.
That being said, I'm intriuged by your apparent knowledge of the subject, and I'd like to hear
more regarding your first hand experience using guns for self defense. I'd be particluarly
interested in learning why that experience has lead you to the conclusion that they're
unnecessary. Until then, I will assume that you're merely another blow-hard ass who has never
taken the time/energy to educate themselves in the proper use of firearms, but is willing to
demagoge the issue because 'guns are scary.'
Thanks in advance.
Brian
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