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[Helen Deborah Vecht]

David Hansen <[email protected]>typed


> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:52:10 +0100 someone who may be Helen Deborah
> Vecht <[email protected]> wrote this:-

> >Mebbe our latest troll/newbie *is* one of the mummies and daddies.

> Even more chance that he had time to get to grips with usenet at
> home then

> >He
> >said he was 41, which is the age my mummy was when I went to university.
> >After a couple of terms away, someone announced a pregnancy.
> >
> >My Mummy!

> Is this an example of someone in their teens being outraged at the
> thought that their "elderly" parents were not sipping coca and
> warming their feet in their slippers, but were instead up to
> something else



We were really rather surprised. It was the then youngest's 10th
birthday and Mum said she had something important to discuss with us. We
thought she could have a serious illness and burst out giggling when she
dropped the bombshell. I was nearly 19 and my sister was 17. We didn't
really think our parents still did these things.

My parents have never sipped coca, from which I believe cocaine is derived...

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email protected]
Edgware.

 

[Tony Raven]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> We were really rather surprised. It was the then youngest's 10th
> birthday and Mum said she had something important to discuss with us. We
> thought she could have a serious illness and burst out giggling when she
> dropped the bombshell. I was nearly 19 and my sister was 17. We didn't
> really think our parents still did these things.
>
> My parents have never sipped coca, from which I believe cocaine is derived...
>
>

What was it about every seventh to tenth year that caused them to do
this?

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

 

[L H OSWALD]

"Andy Leighton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:14:41 GMT, RobD <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 2 The world sporting bodies are adopting their usage at events (TDF)
>
> Why should what a sport does make any difference? Do you wear nomex
> suits, hans devices and 6 point harnesses when in your car? World
> motorsport bodies have adopted their usage at the highest level.
>
> --
> Andy Leighton => [email protected]
> "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
> - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_
==============================================================
Hi Andy,
only that if the cycle sport authorities are taking the standpoint of
insisting on their use it gives a degree of credability to the decision,
since you would assume that those in charge at the highest level would have
weighed up both sides of the proposal before making a decision??????
and no i dont wear extreme saftey gear in my car like i dont wear motocross
body armour on my bicycle.
The design of the foam bike h*elm*t is a compromise between a degree of
impact resistance and useability.

L H O

 

[Tony Raven]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> The design of the foam bike h*elm*t is a compromise between a degree of
> impact resistance and useability.
>

You think? Only you can buy helmets from very cheap with few vents in
them (but still clearly considered usable) and very expensive with lots
of vents but they both only just meet the same impact resistance
standard. If the designers were making a compromise you might expect to
find an expensive low vent design capable of much greater impact
resistance. But you don't because the only compromises they are making
are between appearance and cost while just meeting the testing standard
(which has been downgraded over time).

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

 

[Andy Leighton]

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:53:03 GMT,
L H OSWALD <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Andy Leighton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:14:41 GMT, RobD <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > 2 The world sporting bodies are adopting their usage at events (TDF)
>>
>> Why should what a sport does make any difference? Do you wear nomex
>> suits, hans devices and 6 point harnesses when in your car? World
>> motorsport bodies have adopted their usage at the highest level.

> Hi Andy,

> only that if the cycle sport authorities are taking the standpoint of
> insisting on their use it gives a degree of credability to the decision,
> since you would assume that those in charge at the highest level would have
> weighed up both sides of the proposal before making a decision??????

Well no. I don't think it was considered by a technically competent
committee - or probably any type of committee. The first time they
tried it the riders went on strike. The next time was after the
unfortunate death of a rider and they claimed it was due to insurance
reasons (which the insurers later denied).

Also have you looked to see what the head injuries were like before and
after helmets in professional cycling? Have things improved?


Why isn't there carnage in countries where there is very little helmet
use? Why didn't the injury rate drop dramatically in the countries
which have brought in mandatory helmet use? If helmets provided a
significant amount of protection one would expect both of those to
be true.

--
Andy Leighton => [email protected]
"The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
- Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

 

[L H OSWALD]

"Tony Raven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > On Sep 17, 8:49 pm, "Clive George" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > You'll see I've given you the benefit of the doubt on the troll thing.
> >
> > A bit generous considering the tone of his postings.
> >
>
> And the fact he seems to have disappeared as quickly as he appeared.
>
> --
> Tony
>
> " I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
> Bertrand Russell

=======================================================

Click Click.....Bang
LHO

 

[Clive George]

"L H OSWALD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Andy Leighton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:14:41 GMT, RobD <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > 2 The world sporting bodies are adopting their usage at events (TDF)
>>
>> Why should what a sport does make any difference? Do you wear nomex
>> suits, hans devices and 6 point harnesses when in your car? World
>> motorsport bodies have adopted their usage at the highest level.
>
> only that if the cycle sport authorities are taking the standpoint of
> insisting on their use it gives a degree of credability to the decision,
> since you would assume that those in charge at the highest level would
> have
> weighed up both sides of the proposal before making a decision??????

But surely that's what the people did when mandating nomex suits etc for
sporting events in cars? So why not follow their advice?

Why do you think the cycle sport authorities are relevant to non-sport
cycling?

clive

 

[Helen Deborah Vecht]

Tony Raven <[email protected]>typed


> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> >
> > We were really rather surprised. It was the then youngest's 10th
> > birthday and Mum said she had something important to discuss with us. We
> > thought she could have a serious illness and burst out giggling when she
> > dropped the bombshell. I was nearly 19 and my sister was 17. We didn't
> > really think our parents still did these things.
> >
> > My parents have never sipped coca, from which I believe cocaine is
> > derived...
> >
> >

> What was it about every seventh to tenth year that caused them to do
> this?

They'd had the first five in less than 9 years. Mum had then taken a
break and been unwell. Then I left home, she felt better, decided to try
for a baby and...

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email protected]
Edgware.

 

[Chris Malcolm]

L H OSWALD <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Andy Leighton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:14:41 GMT, RobD <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > 2 The world sporting bodies are adopting their usage at events (TDF)
>>
>> Why should what a sport does make any difference? Do you wear nomex
>> suits, hans devices and 6 point harnesses when in your car? World
>> motorsport bodies have adopted their usage at the highest level.
>>
>> --
>> Andy Leighton => [email protected]
>> "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
>> - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_
> ==============================================================
> Hi Andy,
> only that if the cycle sport authorities are taking the standpoint of
> insisting on their use it gives a degree of credability to the decision,
> since you would assume that those in charge at the highest level would have
> weighed up both sides of the proposal before making a decision??????
> and no i dont wear extreme saftey gear in my car like i dont wear motocross
> body armour on my bicycle.
> The design of the foam bike h*elm*t is a compromise between a degree of
> impact resistance and useability.

There's no need to bother making them effective if people are prepared
to buy ineffective ones.

--
Chris Malcolm [email protected] DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

 

[Peter Clinch]

L H OSWALD wrote:

> The design of the foam bike h*elm*t is a compromise between a degree of
> impact resistance and useability.

So we look at the performance they've managed in the Real World and we
find no change in serious injury rates. They might help with minor
ones, but they're, well, /minor/ by definition.
So the impact resistance compromise clearly isn't good enough to make a
real difference, and we know that from the accident rates, and we know
from wearing them that at /best/ they're not an improvement on the
alternative as far as usability goes, so you've got a compromise that is
so compromised it's of basically no use to the typical road-going
cyclist. Not a really good reason to use one.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/