Campy 10 speed upgrade problem

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I had some Daytona 9 speed shifters, Racing T cranks, and a Racing T
rear derailleur. I got some new Chorus 10 speed shifters, a Centaur 10
speed cassette, and a record 10s chain, keeping the Racing T crankset
and rear derailleur.

On the bench, it's perfect. No noise, smooth and wonderful. On the
road, whenever any power is applied, I hear noise I believe coming from
the rear derailleur. I can feel it resonating on the chain, but I
can't tell where it's coming from. The noise is similar to when your
front derailleur needs to be trimmed, only instead of metal on metal,
it's a metal on plastic sound coming more from the rear of the bike.

The Racing T rear derailleur says 9 speed on it, do I need pulleys or
something for it to make it quiet? Anything else I might be missing?

 

[Eric Hill]

[email protected] wrote:
> I had some Daytona 9 speed shifters, Racing T cranks, and a Racing T
> rear derailleur. I got some new Chorus 10 speed shifters, a Centaur 10
> speed cassette, and a record 10s chain, keeping the Racing T crankset
> and rear derailleur.
>
> On the bench, it's perfect. No noise, smooth and wonderful. On the
> road, whenever any power is applied, I hear noise I believe coming from
> the rear derailleur. I can feel it resonating on the chain, but I
> can't tell where it's coming from. The noise is similar to when your
> front derailleur needs to be trimmed, only instead of metal on metal,
> it's a metal on plastic sound coming more from the rear of the bike.
>
> The Racing T rear derailleur says 9 speed on it, do I need pulleys or
> something for it to make it quiet? Anything else I might be missing?

you most likely need 10sp jockey wheels.

http://www.branfordbike.com/campy/campy.html#RearDerailleurs

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

[email protected] wrote:
> I had some Daytona 9 speed shifters, Racing T cranks, and a Racing T
> rear derailleur. I got some new Chorus 10 speed shifters, a Centaur 10
> speed cassette, and a record 10s chain, keeping the Racing T crankset
> and rear derailleur.
>
> On the bench, it's perfect. No noise, smooth and wonderful. On the
> road, whenever any power is applied, I hear noise I believe coming from
> the rear derailleur. I can feel it resonating on the chain, but I
> can't tell where it's coming from. The noise is similar to when your
> front derailleur needs to be trimmed, only instead of metal on metal,
> it's a metal on plastic sound coming more from the rear of the bike.
>
> The Racing T rear derailleur says 9 speed on it, do I need pulleys or
> something for it to make it quiet? Anything else I might be missing?

You are missing something. No need to change anything. In fact the
pulleys are "9-10'...Perhaps a slighly bent der hanger or worn out rear
derailleur? Hard to tell w/o seeing/hearing it. I have done this
upgrade more than a few times w/o any issues.

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

Eric Hill wrote:

>
> you most likely need 10sp jockey wheels.
>
> http://www.branfordbike.com/campy/campy.html#RearDerailleurs

Once more my buddies at Branford selling somethin not needed. Look at
the most modern Campag jockey wheels...see they say '9-10' on them?

 

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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> You are missing something. No need to change anything. In fact the
> pulleys are "9-10'...Perhaps a slighly bent der hanger or worn out rear
> derailleur? Hard to tell w/o seeing/hearing it. I have done this
> upgrade more than a few times w/o any issues.

I've read about the upgrade and believe that it should work. The
derailleur looks perfectly straight. The feel and noise is the same as
if the upper jockey wheel is touching the cassette. It isn't. I have
the b-limit screw all the way in. Nothing seems to be amiss. Could my
jockey wheels be worn such that they are causing a problem? The chain
from the cassette through the jockey wheels are perfectly vertical, so
I assume my dropout is straight. Never been in a crash or anything.

Also, can you re-use the pin that comes with the record chain? I think
I'd like to take out one more link, but they only provided one pin.
The Dura-Ace chains come with two, so i was wondering if the pin can be
used again?

Lastly, my rear derailleur is now VERY close the the spokes when in the
biggest cog. How close? I'd estimate a skosh over 1/16". Normal?

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

[email protected] wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> > You are missing something. No need to change anything. In fact the
> > pulleys are "9-10'...Perhaps a slighly bent der hanger or worn out rear
> > derailleur? Hard to tell w/o seeing/hearing it. I have done this
> > upgrade more than a few times w/o any issues.
>
> I've read about the upgrade and believe that it should work. The
> derailleur looks perfectly straight. The feel and noise is the same as
> if the upper jockey wheel is touching the cassette. It isn't. I have
> the b-limit screw all the way in. Nothing seems to be amiss. Could my
> jockey wheels be worn such that they are causing a problem?

Could be. A longer b limit screw or perhaps a link tot long of a chain?

The chain
> from the cassette through the jockey wheels are perfectly vertical, so
> I assume my dropout is straight. Never been in a crash or anything.
>
> Also, can you re-use the pin that comes with the record chain?


No-Use a Wipperman 10s link.

I think
> I'd like to take out one more link, but they only provided one pin.
> The Dura-Ace chains come with two, so i was wondering if the pin can be
> used again?
>
> Lastly, my rear derailleur is now VERY close the the spokes when in the
> biggest cog. How close? I'd estimate a skosh over 1/16". Normal?


yes, normal. As long as you can't push on the der body, with the bike
in the stand, when in the biggest cog and it won't tickle the spokes.

 

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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > I had some Daytona 9 speed shifters, Racing T cranks, and a Racing T
> > rear derailleur. I got some new Chorus 10 speed shifters, a Centaur 10
> > speed cassette, and a record 10s chain, keeping the Racing T crankset
> > and rear derailleur.
> >
> > On the bench, it's perfect. No noise, smooth and wonderful. On the
> > road, whenever any power is applied, I hear noise I believe coming from
> > the rear derailleur. I can feel it resonating on the chain, but I
> > can't tell where it's coming from. The noise is similar to when your
> > front derailleur needs to be trimmed, only instead of metal on metal,
> > it's a metal on plastic sound coming more from the rear of the bike.
> >
> > The Racing T rear derailleur says 9 speed on it, do I need pulleys or
> > something for it to make it quiet? Anything else I might be missing?
>
> You are missing something. No need to change anything. In fact the
> pulleys are "9-10'...Perhaps a slighly bent der hanger or worn out rear
> derailleur? Hard to tell w/o seeing/hearing it. I have done this
> upgrade more than a few times w/o any issues.

Well, I got it working. I went to the store and bought some 10s
pulleys. The pulleys themselves say 9s/10s on them as stated above;
however, the silver bushings on the 10s pulleys are stamped 10s, while
the ones on my Racing-T unit has no markings. After swapping the
pulleys, the noise is gone. I wonder if the 10s silver washer-esque
things are slightly thinner, allowing more float or something? It
could have been my previous pulleys were really worn as I've always
used a dura-ace chain with the sram gold link.

I committed a cardinal sin by upgrading to 10s right before a 3 day
ride through the mountains. I'm happy to report that I did not
experience a single mis-shift or any noise.

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

[email protected] wrote:
r, the silver bushings on the 10s pulleys are stamped 10s, while
> the ones on my Racing-T unit has no markings. After swapping the
> pulleys, the noise is gone. I wonder if the 10s silver washer-esque
> things are slightly thinner, allowing more float or something? It
> could have been my previous pulleys were really worn as I've always
> used a dura-ace chain with the sram gold link.
>
> I committed a cardinal sin by upgrading to 10s right before a 3 day
> ride through the mountains. I'm happy to report that I did not
> experience a single mis-shift or any noise.

Glad it's working for you.