Qui si parla Campagnolo <
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> On Jul 13, 2:23 am, Bill Westphal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> > On Jul 11, 8:31 am, D'ohBoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> With my pre-2007 shifters, my Record ergos have a significantly softer
>> >> click than my Chorus.
>>
>> >> Is that still true for the 2007? I am building a bike for my father
>> >> who had Ultegra for years and would probably be more amenable to the
>> >> softer clicks like I get from my Record shifters but if the Chorus now
>> >> have the same feel as the Record, then there's no need to spend the
>> >> extra cash.
>>
>> >> TIA
>>
>> >> D'ohBoy
>>
>> Just rebuild it and pack a lot of grease in. There may be a little
>> stickiness on some shifts (the direction that loosens the cable) at
>> first, but once broken in it's really nice and smooth and quiet. I've
>> really grown to hate the loud click on stock ungreased Campy shifters.
>> Just like the loud clicking freewheeling cassettes on urban group
>> bikerides in traffic.
>>
>> > Record and Chorus innards are the same(2007 and 2006) except for a
>> > teflon coating on the shift disc for Record and a 'fiber' spring
>> > carrier. All else is the same. In my experience, these 2 shifters feel
>> > the same.
>>
>> Those teflon coated and fiber spring parts cost a fortune to replace.
>
> errrr, the Chorus 10s disc costs the same as the Record one and the
> fiber spring carrier is $5 more($15 vs $10)..Hardly a fortune.
>
>
>> I found that branford didn't even have the significantly cheaper old
>> versions of those parts available (I think it's solely a weight
>> "penalty", rather than a "smoothness" of shifting issue), so I rebuilt
>> very used shifters without replacing anything, even the springs, and
>> they work just fine with all the old parts. I'm going to rebuild the
>> other two ergo pairs similarly. Once you've done the job it's a snap,
>> so if the grease get's all cruddy after a few years it's no big deal
>> to rebuild when you cable change.
>>
>> Bill Westphal
The "fortune" was coming from memory. I took notes when I did the
shifter job, and attach below. Somewhere in here there is a "fortune"
to be made by Campy/Branford for saving me mere grams. I thought them
too greedy with their "recommendations", so I outsmarted them, and no
one got a nickel:
* branford bike order, spoke with new owner Rod Wagner Mon, 04/23/07
(206)323-1218
campagnolo blue ergo manual 1998-current $4.88
cost to rebuild a lever: $55 for parts, $40-$50 for labor
"We recommend replacing the
- G springs,
- Ergo Index gear,
- Thumb Button spring and
- Ergo Coil
spring when rebuilding a right side lever."
What about left side lever?
Can I use improved record parts for centaur rebuild, such as
"Teflon coated, Ergo Index gear for smoother shifting and a carbon
polymer, G spring carrier for greater durability
"You can upgrade any 1999 to current right hand 10 speed Ergo shifter
to Ultra shifting by simply replacing the above three parts
- ultra 01 index gear
- carbon carrier teflon washer
- carbon G Spring Carrier
Is the ultra 10 just a lightweight 10? difference in price 54 vs 44
Right side:
(from campy ergo lever parts - 1, 2, 3 and 4)
thumb button return spring right EC-RE215 $ 5.88
thumb button return lever right EC-RE204 $24.88
G spring right EC-RE-209 2 @ $ 5.88ea. = $11.76
(from campy ergo lever parts - 5 and 6)
finger shift lever return right EC-RE137 $ 5.88
ultra 10 index gear right EC-RE161 $54.88
-or
10 index gear right EC-RE061 $44.88
carbon G spring carrier right EC-RE065 $15.88
carbon G Spring Carrier
teflon coated bushing EC-RE157 $ 3.88
alloy G Spring Carrier right EC-RE111 $ 9.88
(from campy ergo lever parts - 14, 15, 18 and 19)
coil spring right EC-RE055 $ 9.88
Left side:
(from campy ergo lever parts - 1, 2, 3 and 4)
thumb button return spring left EC-RE216 $ 5.88
thumb button return lever left EC-RE205 $24.88
G spring left EC-RE-210 2 @ $ 5.88ea. = $11.76
(from campy ergo lever parts - 5 and 6)
finger shift lever return left EC-RE138 $5.88
ergo (ultra) index gear left EC-RE314 $39.88
ultra carbon G spring carrier left EC-RE066 $15.88
alloy G Spring Carrier left EC-RE112 $ 9.88
(from campy ergo lever parts - 14, 15, 18 and 19)
coil spring left EC-RE054 $ 9.88
--recommended for replacement by Branford Bike:
* thumb button return spring right EC-RE215 $ 5.88
* thumb button return spring left EC-RE216 $ 5.88
thumb button return lever right EC-RE204 $24.88
thumb button return lever left EC-RE205 $24.88
* G spring right EC-RE-209 2 @ $ 5.88ea. = $11.76
* G spring left EC-RE-210 2 @ $ 5.88ea. = $11.76
finger shift lever return left EC-RE138 $ 5.88
finger shift lever return right EC-RE137 $ 5.88
* ultra 10 index gear EC-RE161 $54.88
* carbon G spring carrier right EC-RE065 $15.88
* carbon G Spring Carrier right
teflon coated bushing EC-RE157 $ 3.88
* ergo (ultra) index gear left EC-RE314 $39.88
* ultra carbon G spring carrier left EC-RE066 $15.88
* coil spring right EC-RE055 $ 9.88
* coil spring left EC-RE054 $ 9.88
5.88+5.88+24.88+24.88+11.76+11.76+5.88+5.88+54.88+15.88+3.88+39.88+15.88+9.88+9.88
=$246.96
remove 2 return levers @ 24.88 * 2 = 49.76
246.96-49.76
=$197.20
only the starred, which meet criteria recommendation:
- G springs,
- Ergo Index gear,
- Thumb Button spring and
- Ergo Coil
5.88+5.88+11.76+11.76+54.88+15.88+3.88+39.88+15.88+9.88+9.88
= 185.44
ordering only replacement parts recommended for right shifter
* thumb button return spring right EC-RE215 $ 5.88
* G spring right EC-RE-209 2 @ $ 5.88ea. = $11.76
* ultra 10 index gear EC-RE161 $54.88
* carbon G spring carrier right EC-RE065 $15.88
* carbon G Spring Carrier right
teflon coated bushing EC-RE157 $ 3.88
* coil spring right EC-RE055 $ 9.88
5.88+11.76+54.88+15.88+3.88+9.88
= $102.16
for left shifter, only get these:
* thumb button return spring left EC-RE216 $ 5.88
* G spring left EC-RE-210 2 @ $ 5.88ea. = $11.76
* coil spring left EC-RE054 $ 9.88
(leave out the very expensive Ergo Index gear)
5.88+11.76+9.88
= $27.52
total:
102.16 + 27.52
= $129.68
How much for replacement ergolevers?
2007 QS Chorus Ergo ebay: $224.95 buy-it-now
lickbike: Centaur 2006 10sp $189.88 + shipping = $197
Universal:
Centaur Ergo: $161 backordered
Chorus: $253 backordered (photo of silver 9s), higher price than 10s record
Record $243 in stock
think about order from Licktons: