Thanks Rob. I spam-proof my net news emails address by adding 4 letters at the end. You have to
manually strip these off to email me. Can't tell you which as that makes it easier for the spam
bots, but it's really easy to figure out. But if it's just as well with you I'd rather keep this
thread online, so that others as befuddled as myself about all these details can benefit from it.
I'm leaning towards getting all 9s Campy components, including the Ergos, for price reasons, and to
keep it all in the same line. If you say that the 9s fdr is equivalent to the 10s fdr, and the 9s
rdr and 9s Ergos can be converted to 10s, then that's good enough for me and I'll deal with it when
I need to, assuming they ever comes out with a 10s casssette that works with these hubs.
However, you also said that this won't shift as smoothly as 10s Ergos with the special routing. Why
is that, and what kind of non-smoothness would I be likely to notice? E.g. trimming needed with
every shift, clunky shifting, misshifting, chain falling off cogs and/or chainrings, etc.?
As for replacing the wheels with Campy-compatible ones, I doubt I'll do that. Just the wheel swap
would cost me $100, and the 10s components are more expensive as well, so this will cost me
something around $200, just to get one more gear that I don't really need for the kind of riding
that I do, or would like to do. Like I said, if and when I someday want to upgrade to 10s, I'll deal
with it then. All other things being equal, though, I'd rather get components now that will make
this easier and perhaps less expensive later, so long as they in no way compromise performance or
reliability now.
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"Robert Strickland" <
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> > Shimano hub + Shimano 9s cassette + Campy 9s OR 10s rdr + Campy 9s OR
10s
> > fdr + Campy 9s OR 10s Ergo + 9s chain (any brand) + 9s triple cranks/bb
> (any
> > brand) = 9s drivetrain that's as good as a standard 9s gruppo from
either
> > Shimano or Campy (or at least as good as is possible when combining
Campy
> > and Shimano)
>
> Yes, understanding that if you go with 9's ERGO shifters then you'll have
to
> fiddle with the rear derailleur a bit. If you go with 10's ERGO shifters then you'll have to use
> the 'special' cable routing on the rear
derailleur.
> Either way it isn't too difficult, although the latter seems to get the
best
> results.
>
> > If so, then I think that the following would probably be the least
> expensive
> > 9s setup for now, and the cheapest and easiest to upgrade to a 10s
later:
> >
> > Shimano hub + Shimano 9s cassette + Campy 9s rdr + Campy 9s fdr + Campy
> 10s
> > Ergo + 9s chain (any brand) + 9s triple cranks/bb (any brand).
>
> Looks good.
>
> > To upgrade to a 10s drivetrain I'd just have to replace the 9s cassette
> and
> > chain with their 10s versions. Correct? Or is there something I'm
missing
> > here? Campy's site seems to say that 9s rdrs & fdrs only work with 9s
> Ergos,
> > and 10s rdrs & fdrs only work with 10s Ergos. Is this marketing hype designed to keep people
> > buying the latest and greatest, or is there some truth to this?
>
> You'll have to replace the cassette and chain minimum. You may have
trouble
> with your rear hub accepting a Shimano (or Campy) 10's cassette. It sounds like the Mavic hubs are
> a little funky. A true Shimano 9's hub will take
the
> new 10's cassette, or so I hear.
>
> You're correct about Campy trying to market the latests and greatest. There's really no difference
> between 9's and 10's as far as fdrs and rdrs are concerned. I understand that the 10's fdr has a
> removeable plastic
piece
> to make it slightly narrower (for a narrower chain) but that in essence
it's
> the same as the 9's fdr.
>
> > Incidentally, is there really such a thing as a 9s vs. 10s crank?
>
> No difference in crank functionality, per se, although with Campy you
should
> understand that often it is the case that this year's Centaur is the same
as
> last years Chorus. Therefore, there may be some cosmetic and/or weight differences between a 9's
> crank and a 10'. Some have claimed that the 10's chain rings are slightly narrower but have
> reported that there is no apparent functional difference and that 9's and 10's chains run equally
> well. I've heard that a 9 speed chain (and I presume 10) will sometimes
tend
> to get caught on a 8 speed chain ring but that shouldn't be an issue for you. In fact, you could
> save yourself a little money by buying an all 9 speed group except for the ERGO shifters. That way
> you're guaranteed compatibility between the Campy parts and using the cable re-routing
method
> you should have good compatiblity between the rdr and Mavic hub.
>
> > As for the incompatible 3rd party cassette, the company that makes these specfically says that
> > they won't work with these hubs, because the
biggest
> > cog on these cassettes is too close to the spokes and the chain would
rub
> > against them.
>
> Strange, but it sounds like they would know. Nonetheless, unless you're super picky about
> drive-train performance I don't see any reason to sell
the
> wheel set and at least one reason to keep it (greater choice of
cassettes).
> Shimano hubs have the reputation for being a bit more durable than Campy
but
> whether that's true and what that says about Mavic hubs, I don't know.
Feel
> free to contact me off the group if you have any more questions. I tried
to
> email you directly but your address wouldn't work. I'm off to go for a
ride
> on my Shimagnolo equipped touring bike.
>
> Rob Strickland
