Canadian EPO

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  1. Tritonrider

    Tritonrider Guest

    Quebecois doctor accused of supplying EPO The disciplinary committee of the Quebec Collège des
    médecins is to hear a complaint at the end of the month against a Quebecois doctor accused of
    inappropriately prescribing EPO to athletes including cyclists, according to a report in Montreal
    newspaper La Presse.

    Dr. Maurice Duquette allegedly offered EPO to a cyclist from the Fédération québécoise des sports
    cyclistes (FQSC), leading to a complaint against the doctor by the FQSC in winter 2001 and
    subsequent investigation. According to one of the 14 items comprising the complaint, Dr
    Duquette's patients at the Fleury hospital and in his private practice in Vieux-Montréal
    included "elite athletes and coaches".

    The full complaint relates to 11 patients, and to events between 1998 and 2001, though a court
    injunction prevents their names from being revealed to the media. The injunction was handed down in
    December last year at the request of an athlete who fears for his reputation and the continuation of
    his career.

    The case will be heard February 24-28.

    I hope this doesn't get as ugly as I think it might. Kinda brings it all home doesn't it? Bill C.
     
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  2. "TritonRider" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Quebecois doctor accused of supplying EPO The disciplinary committee of the Quebec Collège des
    > médecins is to hear a complaint at the end of the month against a Quebecois doctor accused of
    > inappropriately prescribing EPO to athletes including cyclists, according to
    a
    > report in Montreal newspaper La Presse.
    >
    > Dr. Maurice Duquette allegedly offered EPO to a cyclist from the Fédération québécoise des sports
    > cyclistes (FQSC), leading to a complaint against the doctor by the FQSC in winter 2001 and
    > subsequent investigation. According to one of the 14 items comprising the complaint, Dr
    > Duquette's patients at the Fleury hospital and in his private practice in Vieux-Montréal
    > included "elite athletes and coaches".
    >
    > The full complaint relates to 11 patients, and to events between 1998 and
    2001,
    > though a court injunction prevents their names from being revealed to the media. The injunction
    > was handed down in December last year at the request of an athlete who fears for his reputation
    > and the continuation of his career.

    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least 3 cyclists whom that might be.

    Could be explosive if the information comes to see the light of day.

    --
    Demetrius Merisi di Carravallo
     
  3. Tritonrider

    Tritonrider Guest

    >From: "Demetrius di Carravallo" [email protected]

    >Off the top of my head, I can think of at least 3 cyclists whom that might be.
    >
    >Could be explosive if the information comes to see the light of day.
    >
    >
    >--
    >Demetrius Merisi di Carravallo
    >
    I know, that's what I'm afraid of. I'll bet whatever you want that Lyne Bessette is clean
    though. Bill C
     
  4. easyrider

    easyrider New Member

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    My only surprise is that it says the EPO was being prescribed to the athletes. That seems a little risky. I figured it would just be distributed without doing any paper work.

    I read recently that the companies that produce EPO make about 30% more per year than is distributed through known prescriptions. And the remainder? They know and we all know where it goes. The question is, how does it get there?

    Edita Rumsas (Rumsiene?) alone can't distribute that much spare EPO.
     
  5. Tom Kunich

    Tom Kunich Guest

    Who would ever believe that the nice clean Canadian medical system would be used to cheat? (<-

    "TritonRider" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > >From: "Demetrius di Carravallo" [email protected]
    >
    > >Off the top of my head, I can think of at least 3 cyclists whom
    that might
    > >be.
    > >
    > >Could be explosive if the information comes to see the light of
    day.
    > >
    > >
    > >--
    > >Demetrius Merisi di Carravallo
    > >
    > I know, that's what I'm afraid of. I'll bet whatever you want that
    Lyne
    > Bessette is clean though. Bill C
     
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    Demetrius Merisi di Carravallo "TritonRider" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > >From: "Tom Kunich" [email protected]
    >
    > >Who would ever believe that the nice clean Canadian medical system would be used to cheat? (<-
    >
    > Given human nature it wouldn't surprise me to find out that our Surgeon General was selling crack
    > for the right price.

    When used properly, EPO isn't that dangerous compared to other performance enhancing drugs
    (steroids, HGH).

    A friend of mine's mother is a nurse and she was very concerned about her pro-racer son taking
    drugs. She asked him what was the drug of choice among the abusers. He told her the main cheating
    drugs was EPO and she was relieved.

    That's part of what makes it so tempting. It works very well and as long as the racer doesn't jack
    the hematocrit into Bjarne Riis territory, there isn't much of a risk.

    Then again, there are the stories of racers doing sprints up and down the hotel stairs in the middle
    of the night to ensure they don't clot in their sleep. That is fucked up.
     
  7. Jtn

    Jtn Guest

    >They know and we all know where it goes. The question is, how does it get there?

    "football, baseball, hockey, running, all of them. for a chaser they take a shot of roids. I think
    UPS is the one doing the deliveries?
     
  8. Dan

    Dan Guest

    easyrider <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > I read recently that the companies that produce EPO make about 30% more per year than is
    > distributed through known prescriptions. And the remainder? They know and we all know where it
    > goes. The question is, how does it get there?

    Did anyone see the special on 60 minutes back around the holidays?

    There's a huge black market in injectable drugs, EPO was named specifically in the report. Easy to
    dilute it, and to siphon off huge profits.

    There is very little regulation (in the US) over who can be a legal distribution company. There's a
    preview/summary of the episode below:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/20/60minutes/main533860.shtml
     
  9. Top Sirloin

    Top Sirloin Guest

    On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 04:10:41 GMT, "Demetrius di Carravallo" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >When used properly, EPO isn't that dangerous compared to other performance enhancing drugs
    >(steroids, HGH).

    Explain to me how it's possible for someone to die from one massive dose of steroids. The safety
    factor between steroids and EPO is the exact opposite of what you suggest.

    --
    Scott Johnson "When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the
    good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy
    them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
     
  10. Kyle Legate

    Kyle Legate Guest

    On 5 Feb 2003, TritonRider wrote:

    > Quebecois doctor accused of supplying EPO The disciplinary committee of the Quebec Coll=E8ge des
    > m=E9decins is to h=
    ear a
    > complaint at the end of the month against a Quebecois doctor accused of inappropriately
    > prescribing EPO to athletes including cyclists, according=
    to a
    > report in Montreal newspaper La Presse.
    >
    > Dr. Maurice Duquette allegedly offered EPO to a cyclist from the F=E9d=E9=
    ration
    > qu=E9b=E9coise des sports cyclistes (FQSC), leading to a complaint agains=
    t the
    > doctor by the FQSC in winter 2001 and subsequent investigation.
    >
    Any word on which cyclist blew the whistle? This is unfortunate as racers from Quebec have been
    regarded as among the best in Canada (which I have always attributed to better organization and
    support, from my observations of teams coming to Ontario to compete).

    > The full complaint relates to 11 patients, and to events between 1998 and=
    2001,
    > though a court injunction prevents their names from being revealed to the media. The injunction
    > was handed down in December last year at the reques=
    t of
    > an athlete who fears for his reputation and the continuation of his caree=
    r.
    >
    > The case will be heard February 24-28.
    >
    > I hope this doesn't get as ugly as I think it might. Kinda brings it all=
    home
    > doesn't it? Bill C.
    >

    =2E.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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    Tower of Tongues:Thursday PM:10:30-11:30 EDT:http://cfmu.mcmaster.ca
    moon musick:ritual:IDM:experimental(electronica):minimalism:glitch
    = 2E . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...
     
  11. Kb

    Kb Guest

    I agree. EPO is much more dangerous if taken in a large quntity. A huge dose of steroids is unlikely
    to cause a lot of harm. Might shut down your testies.....but there are drugs to start those again...

    "Top Sirloin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Thu, 06 Feb 2003 04:10:41 GMT, "Demetrius di Carravallo"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >When used properly, EPO isn't that dangerous compared to other
    performance
    > >enhancing drugs (steroids, HGH).
    >
    > Explain to me how it's possible for someone to die from one massive dose
    of
    > steroids. The safety factor between steroids and EPO is the exact opposite
    of
    > what you suggest.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Scott Johnson "When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have
    > the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we
    > destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
     
  12. Steve

    Steve Guest

    On 2/13/03 6:38 AM, in article [email protected], "Kyle
    Legate" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > I was listening to national radio this morning and the announcer let slip that the rider who
    > complained to the federation was a 'she'. Let the rampant speculation begin...
    >
    > ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [email protected] Kyle Legate [email protected]
    >
    > Tower of Tongues:Thursday PM:10:30-11:30 EDT:http://cfmu.mcmaster.ca moon
    > musick:ritual:IDM:experimental(electronica):minimalism:glitch
    > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...
    >

    Was "she" complaining about the canadian MTB "he-she"? (shemale)
     
  13. In article <[email protected]>, Kyle Legate
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I was listening to national radio this morning and the announcer let slip that the rider who
    > complained to the federation was a 'she'. Let the rampant speculation begin...
    >
    > ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [email protected] Kyle Legate [email protected]
    >
    > Tower of Tongues:Thursday PM:10:30-11:30 EDT:http://cfmu.mcmaster.ca moon
    > musick:ritual:IDM:experimental(electronica):minimalism:glitch
    > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...

    That was in the newspaper recently ,they said it was a female cyclist. Howver, I got the impression
    she didn't TAKE the drugs, rather she complained to the federation.
     
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