"Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
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> "Peter Moran" <
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> > From one site.
> >
> > >One was Dr Elizabeth Stockert and another was Dr Lloyd Schloen. Schloen
> had
> > gone so far as to add >proteolytic enzymes to the injections - as is commonly done by laetrile
> > doctors - and reported a 100% cure >rate among
> his
> > Swiss albino mice.5
> >
> > Omitted was the finding that Laetrile used alone had no effect in this series of experiments,
> > and the combination of proteolytic enzymes and laetrile only worked when injected directly into
> > small mouse tumours.
> >
> > Omitted is the fact that a nationwide search for anyone cured of cancer
by
> > Laetrile produced only one or two dubious examples at a time when it had been used by thousands
> > of patients, and the anecdotal hype that always follows any new "alternative" treatment of
> > cancer was at its highest..
> >
> > Laetrile is a useless treatment and it is admitted by most alternative cancer clinics that still
> > use it that it does as not to work when used alone. When used in the typical cocktail of
> > multiple "alternative" treatments always advised these days (an admission that the evidence
that
> > any of them work as claimed is feeble) it is impossible for anyone to
> tell
> > if any individual agent works.
> >
> > Peter Moran
>
>
> Yeah ? , well from a previous post .
>
> The difference between conventional and alternative has really been shown
to
> me yet once again . Two of my friends were diagnosed with cancer several months ago ( about 8
> months ) , one with prostate cancer , the other
with
> prostate cancer plus melanoma plus bowel cancer , he was in a bad way . Friend 2 had already had a
> previous operation on his bowel , but was told the cancer had returned .
>
> Friend one was very afraid to try anything outside the conventional treatments as he was told that
> if he did not follow their procedures his chances of survival were slim , if he did follow their
> procedures his chances were above 80% . Of course he was very frightened and so would
not
> listen to anything other than what his oncologists said . People are vulnerable when frightened
> and make no mistake , conventional medicine
takes
> great advantage of that fact , just as the quacks do . I don't blame him
for
> being scared , and of course we all have the right of choice , he
exercised
> his right , and for him it was the right decision , he was happy with his decision .
>
> Last week he was buried and I attended his funeral .
>
If he died within eight months of the diagnosis of prostate cancer he had a very advanced anaplastic
and hormonally resistant example of prostate cancer when diagnosed, and it seems unlikely that he
would have been offered 80% success. Forgive me, but I would like to have the oncologist's version
of this story.
> My second friend astounded and infuriated his oncologist when he flatly refused any further
> treatment from them , he was told in no uncertain
terms
> what a fool he was and how he was basically signing his own death certificate , the sort of words
> that strike fear into any person .
This is the one who "was told his cancer had returned". On such a third hand account you are
prepared to believe that apricot kernels cured him f ----- what? Prostate cancer mostly has a slow
and indolent course and we are given no details as to its present status, if it was ever securely
diagnosed in the first place. Most melanomas are cured by excission biopsy and even advanced
melanomas may not show metastases in eight months or much longer. What stage of bowel cancer did he
have and what evidence was there that it had returned? Bowel cancer in stages up to early C has a
good prognosis with surgery. It is a poor example to use to show the uselessness of conventional
treatments.
Any doctor knows how second and third hand accounts of such stuff are useless. I have had patients
tell me they have cancer when they are not. I have had patients convinced they are dying of cancer
when they are not. This stuff is only conving to those who don't know better.
>I think sometimes we can too easily be dismissive of the bravery it takes to face the full force of
>the system , this huge machine , with all its intimidating power and it's cold production line
>mentality , and tell them
,
> thanks but no thanks , especially when it is a life and death situation , and the life is yours .
>
> He took a detox course of tablets . He then embarked upon a regime of organic apricot kernels in
> amounts recommended by freely available information on the web , he added pineapple to help , plus
> he obtained and used in copious amounts the best range of natural wellbeing and
antioxidant
> products he could find . Of course he cut out all the poisons like coffee
,
> alcohol , red meat and drank only pure water . The results do date have
been
> great , his blood results are now returning levels so low that the oncologist cannot accept they
> are real . He feels great , he is looking forward with a positive attitude and is leading a
> normal life .
>
> Maybe the answer lies somewhere in the middle of both schools of thought , certainly it seems that
> poisoning a person with chemo and deadly drugs is meeting with dismal failure worldwide and yet
> they persist with this .
What do you know about chemotherapy? Honestly? All you know is what is you have read on alternative
sites that have very good reasons for painting the conventional treatment of cancer in the worst
possible light. Then people are less inclined to ask penetrating questions about what "alternaitve"
methods actually acheive. You won't be told there about the high cure rates of some kinds of cancer
with chemotherapy alone, the remarkable remissions and palliation that can be obtained with other
types of cancer, and the higher cure rates that can be acheived when chemotherapy is combined with
other forms of primary treatment as an adjuvant. You also will not find medicine hiding where its
results are poor; do a Medline search and it is all there-- but even with bad cancers like NSCLC
useful palliation is possible with modern chemotherapy.
>Most people would protest if they wanted to build a nuclear power station next door , but accept
>the stuff being pumped into their body . I think maybe , for many the pocket comes before the
>patient , it certainly does with the drug companies , they don't make money from well people .
>Sadly many
doctors
> just follow blindly along ,they are not bad people , they just cannot open their minds and see the
> big picture .
The big picture that you think is there is based upon such slender anecdotal evidence as you
have quoted above and a one-sided selection of reading matter. When you delve further into the
results of those supposedly offering alternative cancer treatments suddenly there is no
documentation to support the claims. The Gerson clinic has treated thousands of cancer patients,
has innumerable testimonial reports of cancer cures on its site, but when it was asked to
produce a dozen well-documented "best cases" with the promise that a large clinical trial would
ensue, it was unable to do so.
It is time vocal supporters of AM like yourself realised where the problem, if there is a problem,
truly lies, and that is that testimonial and anecdote not only aren't throwing up spectacularly
successful cancer treatments, they are more certainly not going to convince those with the money to
investigate treatments further, such as the NCCAM.
Peter Moran
>
> Bew
>
>
> >
> > "Bew" <qw@nonamewhatsover> wrote in message
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> > > Some info on the big C ,
> > >
> > >
http://www.anticancerinfo.co.uk/b17-food.htm
> > >
> > >
http://www.mercola.com/article/cancer/cancer_options.htm
> > >
> > >
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m2465/6_30/65653634/p1/article.jhtml
> > >
> > > Even they admit it doesn't work
> > >
> >
>
http://www.unlimited.co.nz/unlimited.nsf/0/9E2A527ED30396D2CC256CD3007F6757?OpenDocument&More=Biote-
ch+Feature
> > >
> > >
http://www.medicaltruth.com/cancer/home.htm
> > >
> > > Bew
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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