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Hadron Quark
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Peter Clinch <[email protected]> writes:
> Hadron Quark wrote:
>
>> eh? Just because the statistics say there are similar injury numbers it
>> doesnt in any way equate the accident itself. And guess what : Ive never
>> known a runner injured by anything other than self punishment (sprains
>> etc) - Ive known lots of cyclists clipped by cars, hedges, spilled by
>> drainage grates and gravel etc.
>
> What, the hedges, grates and gravel just leapt out at them? If you're
> clipped by a hedge, ride over a drainage grate or lose it on gravel
> then there's nobody to blame but yourself: i.e., self punishment.
Are you sane? Victorian dad? Mr logic? Certainly not human and prone to
error and lapses of judgement by the sound of it.
>
> As for the cars, are you really suggesting that nobody out for a run
> has ever been knocked down by a motor vehicle?
Where did I suggest that?
>
>> Aha! You're coming from an angle I see. You're argument angle is
>> ridiculous : with this logic you would defend murder since it was
>> considered part of life until a legal system was invented to discourage
>> it. They were invented for a reason you know.
>
> Sports use and making money are both perfectly reasonable reasons for
> cycle helmets to exist, and neither has any particular bearing on A to
> B utility road cycling.
You need a tinfoil helemt.
>
>> When falling off a bike or hit by car when cycling its quite often the
>> case that bits of the body are indeed caight by the falling bike : maybe
>> I didnt describe it properly - I was hoping you could extrapolate. Ive
>> certainly had a couple of nasty falls with cleats I didnt disengage when
>> someone just walked out in front of me.
>
> I know of /lots/ of people who've failed to disengage and then toppled
> over, certainly including me. I don't recall any others of them
> saying they were "nasty" (or that they hit their heads, for that
> matter).
Oh for goodness sake. You sound ridiculous.
>
>> Are you just being obstinate?
>
> No, I'm just dealing with reality: many/most cases of cyclists being
> clipped by overtaking vehicles would not happen if the cyclist were
> better positioned, but unfortunately the belief that hugging the kerb
> is the safest place to be is even more widespread than the
> misapprehension that helmets will Save Your Life.
Why do you keep telling us how perfect you/people are? Lets consider
real life where not everyone can be in a safe position.
>
>> The clip of the wing mirror
>> was an example of being hit by a passing automobile. Bikes by their
>> nature tend to move around : especially in slipstreams - far more than a
>> runner would.
>
> No reason to be in a slipstream involuntarily, again down to
> positioning.
Really. Ive had enough of this. I think you're purposely moving
goalposts and creating a stir.
Bottom line is : I believe helmets provide more protection than nothing
at all. You seem to have lots of theories about why a perfect cyclist
should *never* need to test out that hypothesis. To continue : I dont
wear one - but I dont expect most cyclists to be as careful as me either.
> Hadron Quark wrote:
>
>> eh? Just because the statistics say there are similar injury numbers it
>> doesnt in any way equate the accident itself. And guess what : Ive never
>> known a runner injured by anything other than self punishment (sprains
>> etc) - Ive known lots of cyclists clipped by cars, hedges, spilled by
>> drainage grates and gravel etc.
>
> What, the hedges, grates and gravel just leapt out at them? If you're
> clipped by a hedge, ride over a drainage grate or lose it on gravel
> then there's nobody to blame but yourself: i.e., self punishment.
Are you sane? Victorian dad? Mr logic? Certainly not human and prone to
error and lapses of judgement by the sound of it.
>
> As for the cars, are you really suggesting that nobody out for a run
> has ever been knocked down by a motor vehicle?
Where did I suggest that?
>
>> Aha! You're coming from an angle I see. You're argument angle is
>> ridiculous : with this logic you would defend murder since it was
>> considered part of life until a legal system was invented to discourage
>> it. They were invented for a reason you know.
>
> Sports use and making money are both perfectly reasonable reasons for
> cycle helmets to exist, and neither has any particular bearing on A to
> B utility road cycling.
You need a tinfoil helemt.
>
>> When falling off a bike or hit by car when cycling its quite often the
>> case that bits of the body are indeed caight by the falling bike : maybe
>> I didnt describe it properly - I was hoping you could extrapolate. Ive
>> certainly had a couple of nasty falls with cleats I didnt disengage when
>> someone just walked out in front of me.
>
> I know of /lots/ of people who've failed to disengage and then toppled
> over, certainly including me. I don't recall any others of them
> saying they were "nasty" (or that they hit their heads, for that
> matter).
Oh for goodness sake. You sound ridiculous.
>
>> Are you just being obstinate?
>
> No, I'm just dealing with reality: many/most cases of cyclists being
> clipped by overtaking vehicles would not happen if the cyclist were
> better positioned, but unfortunately the belief that hugging the kerb
> is the safest place to be is even more widespread than the
> misapprehension that helmets will Save Your Life.
Why do you keep telling us how perfect you/people are? Lets consider
real life where not everyone can be in a safe position.
>
>> The clip of the wing mirror
>> was an example of being hit by a passing automobile. Bikes by their
>> nature tend to move around : especially in slipstreams - far more than a
>> runner would.
>
> No reason to be in a slipstream involuntarily, again down to
> positioning.
Really. Ive had enough of this. I think you're purposely moving
goalposts and creating a stir.
Bottom line is : I believe helmets provide more protection than nothing
at all. You seem to have lots of theories about why a perfect cyclist
should *never* need to test out that hypothesis. To continue : I dont
wear one - but I dont expect most cyclists to be as careful as me either.