Badger_South wrote:
:: On Thu, 13 May 2004 09:32:37 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Atkins is not a high protein diet. That is just plain
::: wrong. Clearly you have no experience with it and are
::: just talking.
:::
::: And what exactly are simple carbs? If you consume enough
::: grams of any digestable carb, you'll get BG swings.
::
:: Clearly you have experience with Atkins, or your
:: interpretation of
:: it. But I don't understand what you mean when you say
:: it's not a high protein diet? I think the dogma is
:: it's a low carb, higher protein, plus moderate good
:: fat and oils.
It's not a high protein diet simply bacause the greatest
percentage of calories on Atkins comes from fat. The diet
may seem higher percentage wise in protein, but those who
follow it correctly end up eating the same total amount of
protein but a reduced amount of carbs. A calorie deficit has
to come from some place, and it doesn't typically come from
not eating fat.
I've been on a LC diet from October 2001, and I track my
food intake in fitday.com, so I know where my calories come
from. Also, since I weight train and carb up, I also know
first hand what causes appetite suppression and what
simulates my appetite. I've played around with protein
levels, fat levels, and carb levels. It is definitely the
lack of carbs that results in the appetite suppression, and
the notion that fat simulates appetite is just garbage, ime.
BTW, I've lost 130 lbs on low carb.
::
:: OTOH, there are lots of interpretations of it, and some
:: ppl use it as an excuse to eat lots of fatty food.
::
Well, once you remove teh carbs, eating fatty foods is not
harmful, provided one isn't eating excess calories.
:: It's my impression that most ppl who make it through the
:: induction phase tend to stay in 'induction', i.e. eating
:: less than 20 gm of carbs (simple, or complex), partly b/c
:: it reduces one's desire to eat carbs.
Many do that, however, it is not wise....one is much more
likely to be successful on Atkins if you move to phase two,
rather than staying on induction. There is no good reason to
stay below 20 gms of carbs for longer than the two weeks
recommended to break carb addition and to root out other
food problems.
Those who do that are not really doing Atkins -- they're
doing their own thing.
::
:: Those who discover they'd been 'carb addicts' are glad to
:: discover the loss of desire to eat carbs, b/c for them,
:: it causes them to overeat; they can't just eat one
:: cookie, they have to eat 10 or the whole bag, etc. To be
:: freed of this compulsion is wonderful, IMO.
Agreed...
::
:: I try and limit the overt fat by trimming meat and
:: keeping the bacon eating low. Most of the fat I get is
:: from salmon and other types of fish, or from hamburger,
:: which I try to get very lean.
I eat a lot of fish...and don't eat bacon...and don't go out
of my way to eat fatty meats. however, I also don't go out
of my way to avoid sat fat now and again. I do eat nuts from
time to time, but find that I have to limit them as I have a
strong tendency to overeat them. It is easy to consume too
many calories very quickly with nuts.
::
:: Anyway, I think you have to take into account that even
:: though a person says they are on Atkins, I bet few ppl
:: follow it rigorously, and just end up cutting the obvious
:: carbs and eating cheese, meat, eggs and soforth.
I would not disagree with that....but those foods are very
high in fat, which result in the diet getting most of its
calories from fat, not protein.
::
:: I'm of the opinion that I/most ppl eat about twice as
:: much food as they really need. When I'm really in the
:: zone, I have salmon twice a day, and cooked whole turkey
:: which I slice up and portion out. In addition I'll eat
:: eggs, cheese, snack on nuts, and have a portion of green
:: beans with supper. But some days, when the appetite is
:: down, I'll survive easily on a hamburger patty or two. I
:: supplement with vits and oils, of course. I still drink
:: 2% milk, but often drop dairy for a while if I'm making a
:: push to lose the next 10lbs.
::
Track your intake on fitday for a week. You'll see.
:: The other interesting thing WRT to weight loss is I tend
:: to lose in 10lb surges. I'll hang out at about 230-240
:: for a couple weeks, then have a whoosh and get down into
:: the 220s, and then hang out at 220-230 for a few weeks,
:: and continue like that. If I look at my graph,
:: occasionally I'll have about a 5 lb gain just preceeding
:: a dramatic loss of about 10 lbs.
That is very common...it is reported often over in asdlc.
