"TritonRider" <
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> >From: "one of the six billion"
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> >There is a fine line between ignorance and malice, your statements have blurred it completely.
> >
>
> I have yet to see you offer any proposed solutions,
My first proposed solution was inherent in my objection to war. Don't start wars. Very simple. Iraq
is not a threat to us or anyone else right now. Pre-emptive war is not only immoral it is also
illegal. There is no reason for this war, there will only come pain, suffering and death to innocent
people from it. It will (and has already started to) deflect huge resources from this country that
can be used for our own domestic problems. The only reason the UN doesn't sanction us and try us for
breaking international law is because the rest of the world cowers to us.
> any statements other than rants about "Evil America"
You are attributing words to me I never used. Which I don't appreciate because they add a tone that
I would not have.
> and personal attacks.
I didn't make a personal attack. My criticisms were directed towards your statements. Your
statements cruelly and callously justified the slaughter of innocent people. I didn't believe you
were that malicious, I just figured you did not have full knowledge of what is being proposed.
> Why don't you put forward some ideas, and positions for discussion here.
I have many. First and foremost I'd like the people of this country and the rest of the world to
rise up and reclaim democracy, rather than believe that they have one, when in fact their
lifestyles, choices and thoughts themselves are dictated by a combination of multinationals and
individuals that own the majority of the worlds wealth.
Directly related to the topic of war I would say reduce the military budget and transfer resources
from life taking to life giving. At $343 billion, the US leads the rest of the world by almost five
times in military spending. Next up is Russia $60 billion, China $42 billion, Japan, $40 billion, UK
$34 billion, Saudi Arabia $27 billion, France $25 billion, Germany $21 billion, Brazil $17 billion,
India $15 billion, Italy $15 billion and South Korea $11 billion. The US does not need to stand so
far apart. We could halve our spending and still be spending twice as much as anyone else.
> Any mental midget can continually attack others ideas.
You're the one advocating attacking. You wan't to KILL innocent people.
> Being able, and having the courage to create and present ideas for discussion takes a
> different type
of
> person than you have shown youself to be. BTW I agree with you about DU rounds, you want to talk
> to some of my
friends
> with Gulf War Syndrome too? Life in war sucks. Sometimes you have to take a stand and be
> willing to
pay
> the price of it. Hussein went to Kuwait, he paid. We have also paid a
pretty
> good price.
Here you are giving an appropriate analogy. What we are doing is not any different than what Hussein
did to Kuwait. The fact that he did what he did is however no justification for us to do the same.
> While all you protester types
By typecasting you surrender your credibility. The peace rally this Sat. in San Francisco had over
100,000 people in it that could not be categorized in any way other than that they know this war is
wrong and that they were in San Francisco.
> were sitting safely at home *****ing about the fascist pig cops oppressing you because they
> actualy arrested a couple of people for burning cars and smashing Starbucks windows,
Several million people all over the world who directly participated in these events (rather than
relied on media reports) had very different experiences.
> and even used some tear gas on you a whole lot of men and women were seperated from their
families,
> living in tents, being poisoned by our government, and the Iraqis. Then
we get
> the old "Agent Orange" runaround about how everything that was done was
safe
> and any symptoms are caused by stress or psychosomatic. You know what? A lot of us, including a
> lot of those with health
problems
> would do it again.
And an awful lot of veterans were marching in San Francisco saying let's not do it now.
> This country is not perfect by a long shot but it's a hell of a lot better than people like you
> are willing to admit. Is there
anything
> you think we've done right in the last 50 years?
With this statement you're applying rhetoric in an effort to dilute the validity of a point of view
you don't share.