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In article <[email protected]>, Amit <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] (Scott Hendricks) wrote in message
> > but unless you've got an incredibly strong 3s field and a relatively weak masters field, the
> > masters are not easier than the 3s by any stretch of the imagination.
> >
>
> Hah ahh ha !! Wishful thinking for masters. Avg. speeds don't mean ****, especially if the race
> distances aren't the same.
>
> > Here in CO, the 45+ will typically have avg speeds on par or slightly above the 3s, and the 35+
> > are significantly faster than the 3s. Some days they're almost on par w/ the pro/1/2 speeds.
>
> Hah. I don't think regional relative differences are big so think the same holds everywhere. In
> Cat 3 you have riders who are on their way to Cat 1/2, making combacks etc. The 30+ races are
> comparable to Cat
> 3. Sure there are a few strong guys in the Masters fields, but that's only the top few in a
> region.
>
> Why don't you look at the TT times in Cat 3 and Masters for a race a Fitchburg if you want to get
> an idea of the relative strengths of fields ?
>
> -Amit
Amit, you don't know what you're talking about, at least in my experience in NorCal and on the East
coast. The only masters races that might be slower than the 3's are the 45+ when some of the major
players are absent from the 45's. The younger masters groups contain lots of guys who are decent Cat
2's and a few Cat 1's and ex-pros. Maybe things are different in Canada but you're wrong in at least
NorCal, CO, and the Northeast. In the Northeast the masters and 3's criteriums are closer in speed
and difficulty because most of the decent masters there are also 3's.
-WG
> [email protected] (Scott Hendricks) wrote in message
> > but unless you've got an incredibly strong 3s field and a relatively weak masters field, the
> > masters are not easier than the 3s by any stretch of the imagination.
> >
>
> Hah ahh ha !! Wishful thinking for masters. Avg. speeds don't mean ****, especially if the race
> distances aren't the same.
>
> > Here in CO, the 45+ will typically have avg speeds on par or slightly above the 3s, and the 35+
> > are significantly faster than the 3s. Some days they're almost on par w/ the pro/1/2 speeds.
>
> Hah. I don't think regional relative differences are big so think the same holds everywhere. In
> Cat 3 you have riders who are on their way to Cat 1/2, making combacks etc. The 30+ races are
> comparable to Cat
> 3. Sure there are a few strong guys in the Masters fields, but that's only the top few in a
> region.
>
> Why don't you look at the TT times in Cat 3 and Masters for a race a Fitchburg if you want to get
> an idea of the relative strengths of fields ?
>
> -Amit
Amit, you don't know what you're talking about, at least in my experience in NorCal and on the East
coast. The only masters races that might be slower than the 3's are the 45+ when some of the major
players are absent from the 45's. The younger masters groups contain lots of guys who are decent Cat
2's and a few Cat 1's and ex-pros. Maybe things are different in Canada but you're wrong in at least
NorCal, CO, and the Northeast. In the Northeast the masters and 3's criteriums are closer in speed
and difficulty because most of the decent masters there are also 3's.
-WG