Cell phone

[Rick Onanian]

On Mon, 31 May 2004 17:14:23 -0700, "G.T." <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Rick Onanian wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 May 2004 15:18:48 -0700, "G.T." <[email protected]>
>>>Oh yeah, I forgot to add that in addition to cell phone users turning into
>>>a bunch of live pussies they're also turning into helpless morons.
>>
>> Er...would a retrogrouch not be helpless lying beside the road with
>> a fractured spine?
>
>But I wouldn't be a moron.

Ah, a sound plan indeed: helpless non-moron. I'll keep that in mind.
--
Rick Onanian

 

[David Reuteler]

G.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> actually .. it already has.
>
> Unless you're doing hardware repair it was something else that prevented
> your job from going away.

umm, how would you know? tactical apps, business intelligence, anything with
fast turnaround and short cycles is extremely difficult to outsource. find
a niche.

> You mean support is a commodity people are willing to outsource to India?
> Or are you working 24 hours a day doing minimum wage PC repair?

... not .. taking .. the .. bait.

well, greg, i'm not sure what your agenda is here but you've managed to flush
your rep down the toilet.

did you forget to use a screensaver in the lab? that always was a great joke.
--
david reuteler
[email protected]

 

[G.T.]

"Yum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> > It is getting harder not to own a cell phone because the ILECs
> > are phasing out all the payphones. With that said, there is no
> > reason for gabbing ad nauseum on a cell phone while riding a bike
> > or driving a car -- or while standing in a public place, like
> > next to me in the check-out line. It seems that people have lost
> > the ability to shut-up and actually think about something. -- Jay
> > Beattie.
>
> I never thought that using cell phone on a bike bothers other people.
> I have never heard anybody get killed by a biker distracted by a cell
phone.
> On a bike trail, I often hear a group of bikers taking each other. It
> doesn't bother me.
> I don't see why taking to a cell phone is any worse.. It is probably
> quieter.
>

It's usually louder. And even when the one side converstation isn't louder,
it's more annoying than a two-sided converstion as shown by the subjects in
these studies.

It's bad enough to encounter rude cell phone usage in town but I've
encountered guys obliviously talking on their phone on remote roads, a
couple off-road, and too many hikers to count.

Greg

 

[Yum]

"G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Yum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > It is getting harder not to own a cell phone because the ILECs
> > > are phasing out all the payphones. With that said, there is no
> > > reason for gabbing ad nauseum on a cell phone while riding a bike
> > > or driving a car -- or while standing in a public place, like
> > > next to me in the check-out line. It seems that people have lost
> > > the ability to shut-up and actually think about something. -- Jay
> > > Beattie.
> >
> > I never thought that using cell phone on a bike bothers other people.
> > I have never heard anybody get killed by a biker distracted by a cell
> phone.
> > On a bike trail, I often hear a group of bikers taking each other. It
> > doesn't bother me.
> > I don't see why taking to a cell phone is any worse.. It is probably
> > quieter.
> >
>
> It's usually louder. And even when the one side converstation isn't
louder,
> it's more annoying than a two-sided converstion as shown by the subjects
in
> these studies.
>

This is interesting. I wonder why. It seems to me, though, this problem
can be easily
solved by a more senstive michrophone and volume adjustment. Using vibrator
instead of
ringer ... etc. Isn't it more to do with how you use your cell phone ?

 

[Martin Törnsten]

Captain's log. On StarDate Mon, 31 May 2004 09:27:31 -0700 received comm from
"Yum" <[email protected]> on channel rec.bicycles.tech:

: I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on bike.
: My phone is too large to carry on my back pocket and a wire to headset
: bothers me.
: I tried bluetooth headset, but it is too big and not very comfortable while
: wearing helmet.
: Cell phone pocket on the backpack's shoulder belt is the simplest and works
: best so far,
: but it would be nice if I don't have to carry backpack sometimes.
: Does anybody have good solution ?

I use this phone bag from Topeak:

http://www.topeak.com/2004/products/bag_007.html

As I don't want to clutter my handle bar or stem, I mount it on the down tube,
like on this picture:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2001/photos/may22tech/topeak_pack.shtml

I got this tip and picture from this page:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/2001/tech22jun.shtml

Have you tried this BT headset (it fits me perfectly)?
http://www.jabra.com/europe/bt250.htm

If it's still too big (I usually don't wear any helmet) I would recommend to try
something like this:
http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,28381,00.html

It's a BT headset, but ends with a short normal cord. In this way I think you
should be able to have it fit under your helmet, but still not be tangled up in
any long cords connected to your phone.

Both Sony-Ericsson and Anycom also has something like this Nokia product.

Best regards,

martin törnsten

--
http://82.182.73.126/

 

[Qui si parla Campagnolo]

yum-<< I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on bike. >><BR><BR>
<< Does anybody have good solution ?
Is there a helmet with builtin headset ? >><BR><BR>

Unless you MUST be 'connected' while riding, policeman, Doctor, president, sick
child or other love one..LEAVE IT AT HOME.



Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

 

[Jay Hill]

David Reuteler wrote:
> G.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>yes. on several of my jobs i was on call 24/7. w/o a cell phone i could
>>>not have ridden. pretty good reason, eh?
>>
>>No, that's pathetic.
>
> yea, well, welcome to the tech industry ... where any reason you can give
> them to not ship your job to india is worth playing.

Or the medical industry. Tell your doctor she's pathetic for being on
call.

 

[G.T.]

"Jay Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> David Reuteler wrote:
> > G.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>>yes. on several of my jobs i was on call 24/7. w/o a cell phone i
could
> >>>not have ridden. pretty good reason, eh?
> >>
> >>No, that's pathetic.
> >
> > yea, well, welcome to the tech industry ... where any reason you can
give
> > them to not ship your job to india is worth playing.
>
> Or the medical industry. Tell your doctor she's pathetic for being on
> call.
>

If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office on her bike.

Greg

 

[David Damerell]

TBGibb <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, "Yum" <[email protected]>
>>I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on bike.
>There are cell phone "safes" that safely pad them into a thing that fits
>into a water bottle cage. I recall them being pricey.

Did saddlebags and other normal bike luggage disappear while I was at
lunch, or something?
--
David Damerell <[email protected]> flcl?

 

[Matt O'Toole]

Yum wrote:

> Well, probably not. However, I thought it would be nice that my
> family/friends can reach me
> while I am on a long bike tour. I just wanted to know if somebody
> has a good idea to make cell phone usage easier and safer on a bike.

I generally don't talk while riding. If the phone rings, I usually can't get it
out of my pocket and out of its plasic bag quickly enough to answer it. So I
have to stop to talk anyway. I can probably count on my fingers the times I've
talked on the phone while actually riding, and that's only while cruising slowly
down quiet residential streets or bike paths. I often use the phone while out
on rides, but usually while stopped, and safely off the road.

Hands-free, voice activated phones are common these days, especially in Europe
and the UK where they're required while driving. The big problem with bike use
is finding one that's waterproof. In my experience, most phones are very
susceptible to water damage -- even the smallest amount of dampness from sweat
on a hot day will destroy them. I'm very surprised no one has yet marketed a
waterproof phone.

Matt O.

 

[[email protected]]

On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:02:06 -0700, "G.T."
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Jay Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> David Reuteler wrote:
>> > G.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>>yes. on several of my jobs i was on call 24/7. w/o a cell phone i
>could
>> >>>not have ridden. pretty good reason, eh?
>> >>
>> >>No, that's pathetic.
>> >
>> > yea, well, welcome to the tech industry ... where any reason you can
>give
>> > them to not ship your job to india is worth playing.
>>
>> Or the medical industry. Tell your doctor she's pathetic for being on
>> call.
>>
>
>If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office on her bike.
>
>Greg
>

Dear Greg,

Are you under the impression that doctors on call can only
receive calls at the office?

I assure you, they lead lives like normal people after 5 pm
and often sleep at their homes instead of on examining
tables at their office. Some go out to restaurants, walk
their dogs, play golf, and even ride bicycles.

Carl Fogel

 

[Matt O'Toole]

G.T. wrote:

> There have been quite a few articles in the lasts 4 or 5 years that
> address the phenomena of people going further into the back country
> while unprepared except for a cell phone.

People have been going into the backcountry unprepared since the beginning of
time.

> I also witnessed the gross misuse of rescue crews at the last
> off-road race I attended at the Johnson Valley SVRA. Actually I was
> quite surprised how good cell reception was 20 miles from the nearest
> pavement and without a tower in sight. Anyway, before cell coverage
> was so good a limited few on the rescue crews at races had decent
> radios and injured riders were triaged and rarely, and I mean twice
> in the 10 years that I raced, were helicopters called in. Now, any
> time someone falls over and sprains their ankle someone is on the
> cell phone calling the Sheriff's Dept, which happened at the last
> race I attended, rather than driving them into the nearest town for
> X-Rays.

This isn't the fault of cell phones, but of making the wrong calls. Most events
have SAG vehicles, and most people have families and friends to call for help
should the need arise. If not, then that's what the Sheriff is there for.

> And even in the cases of severe injury those cell phones still
> haven't saved any lives out at the races as far as I know.

I've come upon at least a half a dozen situations where a phone has helped
immensely -- mostly people who have crashed while mountain biking. If someone
hadn't come along with a phone, the victims would have been much worse off --
perhaps dying of shock and/or exposure.

Matt O.

 

[Christopher Brian Colohan]

[email protected] (Qui si parla Campagnolo ) writes:
> Unless you MUST be 'connected' while riding, policeman, Doctor,
> president, sick child or other love one..LEAVE IT AT HOME.

I carry mine, but it may as well be turned off for how much it gets
used (aka, never). I only carry it for emergencies.

Talking on the phone while riding in traffic? You've got to be
kidding. Have you seen how moronic car drivers become as soon as they
hold a phone to their ear? On a bike you would have to be a moron to
think you could do that and live for very long...

(...and why wreck the peace and serenity when you are riding out of
traffic?)

Chris
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Web: www.colohan.com Phone: (412)268-4751

 

[RWM]

"G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Jay Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > David Reuteler wrote:
> > > G.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
><SNIP>
> > Or the medical industry. Tell your doctor she's pathetic for being on
> > call.
> >
>
> If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office on her bike.
>
> Greg

The above is one of the silliest things that I have read in a long time. It
is pretty clear that you have a strong point of view on this subject and are
willing to look foolish trying to defend it rather that admit that there
might be other valid points of view.

 

[Prometheus]

--On Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:44 AM -0600 [email protected] wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:02:06 -0700, "G.T."
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jay Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> David Reuteler wrote:
>>> > G.T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>> yes. on several of my jobs i was on call 24/7. w/o a cell phone i
>> could
>>> >>> not have ridden. pretty good reason, eh?
>>> >>
>>> >> No, that's pathetic.
>>> >
>>> > yea, well, welcome to the tech industry ... where any reason you can
>> give
>>> > them to not ship your job to india is worth playing.
>>>
>>> Or the medical industry. Tell your doctor she's pathetic for being on
>>> call.
>>>
>>
>> If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office on her bike.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>
> Dear Greg,
>
> Are you under the impression that doctors on call can only
> receive calls at the office?
>
> I assure you, they lead lives like normal people after 5 pm
> and often sleep at their homes instead of on examining
> tables at their office. Some go out to restaurants, walk
> their dogs, play golf, and even ride bicycles.
>
> Carl Fogel


A friend of my parents rode from LA to santa barbara on his trek 5900 the
weekend he was on call (he's an ICU doctor too, there's a short turnaround
niche job for ya).

Mike
Mechanical Engineering 2006, Carnegie Mellon University
Remove nospam to reply.

 

[MSeries]

Yum wrote:
> I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on bike.
> My phone is too large to carry on my back pocket and a wire to headset
> bothers me.
> I tried bluetooth headset, but it is too big and not very comfortable
> while wearing helmet.
> Cell phone pocket on the backpack's shoulder belt is the simplest and
> works best so far,
> but it would be nice if I don't have to carry backpack sometimes.
> Does anybody have good solution ?
> Is there a helmet with builtin headset ?

My phone is small enough to go in my jersey pocket. No headset - no problem.

 

[John Henderson]

"G.T." wrote:

> If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office on
> her bike.

I don't think you have any idea what it's like to be on call
24/7/365 for an emergency service. I'm retired now, and
thoroughly enjoy the delicious freedom of being able to go
wherever I like.

John

 

[Doug Huffman]

I'm sure they don't. I always got a good laugh out of the ostentatiously
displayed belt full of beepers and phones that never go off. We that had to
carry them hid them and hoped that we wouldn't notice the ring. Good
riddance.


"John Henderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| "G.T." wrote:
|
| > If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office on
| > her bike.
|
| I don't think you have any idea what it's like to be on call
| 24/7/365 for an emergency service. I'm retired now, and
| thoroughly enjoy the delicious freedom of being able to go
| wherever I like.
|
| John
|
|

 

[Terry Morse]

Yum wrote:

> I wonder how do people carry cell phone while on bike.

In my saddle bag, turned off.

> My phone is too large to carry on my back pocket and a wire to headset
> bothers me.
> I tried bluetooth headset, but it is too big and not very comfortable while
> wearing helmet.

You seem to want to talk on your phone while riding. That appears to
be the problem.

> Does anybody have good solution ?

See above.

> Is there a helmet with builtin headset ?

I sure hope not.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/

 

[Tim McNamara]

"John Henderson" <[email protected]> writes:

> "G.T." wrote:
>
>> If she's on call she shouldn't miles away from the office on
>> her bike.
>
> I don't think you have any idea what it's like to be on call
> 24/7/365 for an emergency service. I'm retired now, and
> thoroughly enjoy the delicious freedom of being able to go
> wherever I like.

This has been the boon of a pager and cellphone for me. I am not
tied to being at home when I am on call, but instead can go out and
have a life. With a cell phone I don't have to look around for a pay
phone, and I can respond to clients much more quickly.

That said, I have to admit it annoys me to see someone on their bike,
in an attractive landscape, riding along and talking on their cell
phone. Ride or talk, is my feeling. Ditto driving, of course.