Originally posted by Tech72
Ever consider Cannondales? Very well priced and competitive with any auluminum frames out there. For what it's worth, the CAAD 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 all passed the EFBe 1300 fatigue test in the "Top Performance Sport Frame" category.
Originally posted by grosMerou
I must agree with you I will go with cannondale, Pinarello is overpriced for what you get these days or buy an Opera, Cervelo looks nice but don't have the cannondale ride (even if I don't like that much aluminium).
regards
Originally posted by nutbag
Pinarellos are too much $$ for an alu frame
Originally posted by angrydave
Spoken like someone who has never ridden one.
Originally posted by patch70
Both the Cervelos & the Pinarellos are great bike brands with excellent designs. (Far better design work than Cannondale IMHO - no silly OVER-oversized tubes).
Originally posted by angrydave
Those prices are outrageous. I mean, dont get me wrong, Pinarellos are never cheap, but jeez.
A 2004 Prince in Start Red, with full 2004 Record, and Neutron wheels comes to 4421.00 US dollars. At Competitive Cyclist.
With Chorus and Protons its $3663.00
All of those prices are VERY Competitive with say a Cannondale with Record, like a Six-one-three, or an Optimo.
With an SL its 5048 and 4563 Respectively.
Originally posted by Powerful Pete
Sheesh. I should get into the bicycle import business to Australia. Those prices are outrageous. Fly over to the Old Country and buy one yourself, and throw in a nice vacation and good food... you will probably come out ahead anyway!
If you want an excellent Italian frame, why don't you look at some of the other big names... De Rosa (my ride! ) Bianchi reparto corse, Fondriest (truely exquisite frames) etc. Lot of nice stuff out there.
The "Pettacchi" thing just happened. I would say a more likely reason for their popularity is thirty plus years of victory at the highest levels of competition, along with some of the best engineering in the "classic" bike market. The Opera stuff is very nice as well, however its a different animal. Opera exists to allow Pinarello to try things outside the mainstream of their bread and butter business which light stiff aluminum frames. The only frame that is similiar to another in Pinarello's line up is the Giorgione, whch is Scandium with Carbon stays, however if you are looking for a bargain there, youre barking up the wrong tree, just that frame in US Dollars is 2799.00 compare that to around 1800 to 2000 for the Prince. The Giorgione has externally butted tubes which the Prince doesnt, this makes it a bit lighter, perhaps a bit stiffer. Fakta seems to like them, bear in mind that Pinarello makes few bikes free. Unlike Giant and Trek who pay riders for the time, Pinarello still sells frames and services to most teams, (as do most Italian bicycle companies, to include Colnago and DeRosa.) Where you referring to the Pinarello Opera? which a is a steel frame with carbon stays, it is also a popular bike with the pros. But it is also 2400.00.Originally posted by Powerful Pete
Sheesh. I should get into the bicycle import business to Australia. Those prices are outrageous. Fly over to the Old Country and buy one yourself, and throw in a nice vacation and good food... you will probably come out ahead anyway!
Pinarello frames are very nice, but they are riding the Petacchi 'thing', and here in Italy it takes FOREVER to get one of their frames (the ran a special on Pinarello in an Italian bike mag recently, and they essentially said that the US is their biggest market, so I guess priority goes to sending frames across the pond).
If you want an excellent Italian frame (I don't know much about Cannondales or Cervelos so I will not comment), why don't you look at some of the other big names... De Rosa (my ride! ) Bianchi reparto corse, Fondriest (truely exquisite frames) etc. Lot of nice stuff out there... maybe a bit less popular than Pinarello, but just as much bike!
I agree with the other posters, however - if you are dead set on a Pinarello family frame, get an Opera. Functionally the same thing for less $$
Originally posted by Powerful Pete
I will go check Italian prices for some of the big brands and get back to you guys (just for curiosity).
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Originally posted by Powerful Pete
Ok, here goes with the official frame prices. My experience is that, if you have a relationship with your LBS, no one pays full price (I paid Euro 1200 for my planet frame set because it was a 2003, for example, getting close to Euro 300 off). BTW, this is off one of the biggest bike magazine sites in Italy. Unfortunately, neither Colnago nor Pinarello prices were listed. But here are De Rosa and Wilier frames, just to give you an idea:
FRAMES ONLY!
- De Rosa -
Neo Primato Euro 1150
Macro Euro 1350
Cuore Euro 1393
Corum Euro 1432
Planet Euro 1550
Merak Euro 1750
Dual Euro 2000
Titanio Euro 2453
King Euro 2850
Titanio 6.4 Ti Euro 3300
- Wilier -
Alpe D'Huez Euro 1000
Angliru Euro 1201
Sestriere Euro 1235
Mortirolo Euro 1436
Izoard Euro 1789
K2 Euro 2083
If you want to spend more time there yourself, the web page is:
http://www.ciclismonline.it/edisport/ciclismo/listino.nsf/main?OpenFrameset
Italian translation for the choices you must make...
Seleziona... (select)
bicicletta is, well a bicycle
telaio is a frame
Raggruppa... (group by)
Tutte means all [types of bikes]
strada is road
Ordina per... (order by)
marca is brand
prezzo is price
categoria is category [of bike]
I am still looking for official Pinarello and Colnago price lists...
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