Chad Davis looking for a team???

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  1. Skyonic

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  2. Ronde Champ

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  3. post says NYC based cat 2 looking for a solid amateur team to compete beyond the tri-state area.

    send inquires to [email protected]

    Chad S. Davis "the wind can't slow what it can't see!"

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    My old teammate from Stink Racing.

    Davester "my idian name would be - He rides for club not team"

    "ronde champ" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Who's Chadd Davis?
    >
    > Thanks, Ronde Champ
    >
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    > "skyonic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > is this correct, i thought he had his own team, i read this off a forum post on
    > > http://www.racelistings.com/
     
  4. Robert Chung

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    "David Sommerville" <[email protected]> wrote
    > Davester "my idian name would be - He rides for club not team"

    David Millar thinks that the Cofidis riders ride for UCI points, not for the team.
     
  5. "David Sommerville" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > post says NYC based cat 2 looking for a solid amateur team to compete beyond the tri-state area.

    That's funny when guys want to travel to bigger races when they can't win the small ones.

    (i am assuming he can't win the small ones since he's a Cat 2)
     
  6. "William R. Kelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:_ZOX9.516
    > (i am assuming he can't win the small ones since he's a Cat 2) That's funny when guys want to
    > travel to bigger races when they
    can't win
    > the small ones.

    This doesn't apply to Chad Davis necessarily, but it's worth bringing up.... are you saying that
    it's useless to try harder races in an effort to improve oneself? That the experience from a race
    that's really hard (like where it's a struggle to finish in the front group) has no payoff in terms
    of how you ride in smaller, local races after? Sure sounds like it.

    JT

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  7. "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "William R. Kelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:_ZOX9.516
    > > (i am assuming he can't win the small ones since he's a Cat 2) That's funny when guys want to
    > > travel to bigger races when they
    > can't win
    > > the small ones.
    >
    > This doesn't apply to Chad Davis necessarily, but it's worth bringing up.... are you saying that
    > it's useless to try harder races in an effort to improve oneself? That the experience from a race
    > that's really hard (like where it's a struggle to finish in the front group) has no payoff in
    > terms of how you ride in smaller, local races after? Sure sounds like it.

    Why should a Cat 2 race against Pros when they aren't competitive against Cat 1s?

    By definition, Cat 2s are challenged enough in the local races if they can't score enough points to
    get the Cat 1 upgrade. They've got an entire year to get 30 points for godssake. If they can't do
    that, the local races are plenty fast for them - they aren't finishing with the leaders there.
     
  8. Jim Feeley

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    William R. Kelly <[email protected]> wrote:

    > By definition, Cat 2s are challenged enough in the local races if they can't score enough points
    > to get the Cat 1 upgrade. They've got an entire year to get 30 points for godssake. If they can't
    > do that, the local races are plenty fast for them - they aren't finishing with the leaders there.

    I basically agree, but what about districts with plenty of Cat 1s that run mostly 1/2 or 1/2/P races
    but few or no Cat 2 races? Could be there are decent Cat 2s in those districts that are finishing
    amongst the Cat 1s, but not in front of enough to score points.

    Jim
     
  9. "William R. Kelly" wrote:
    >
    > "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "William R. Kelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:_ZOX9.516
    > > > (i am assuming he can't win the small ones since he's a Cat 2) That's funny when guys want to
    > > > travel to bigger races when they
    > > can't win
    > > > the small ones.
    > >
    > > This doesn't apply to Chad Davis necessarily, but it's worth bringing up.... are you saying that
    > > it's useless to try harder races in an effort to improve oneself? That the experience from a
    > > race that's really hard (like where it's a struggle to finish in the front group) has no payoff
    > > in terms of how you ride in smaller, local races after? Sure sounds like it.
    >
    > Why should a Cat 2 race against Pros when they aren't competitive against Cat 1s?
    >
    > By definition, Cat 2s are challenged enough in the local races if they can't score enough points
    > to get the Cat 1 upgrade. They've got an entire year to get 30 points for godssake. If they can't
    > do that, the local races are plenty fast for them - they aren't finishing with the leaders there.

    A lot of teams are CAT1/2, so that means CAT2's might simply be riding in support of the better
    riders on the team. Sort of like Hincapie riding for Armstrong in the TdF. Just because Hincapie
    can't win ("score points") in the TdF doesn't mean he shouldn't go.
     
  10. "William R. Kelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:J%WX9.678
    >
    > By definition, Cat 2s are challenged enough in the local races if they can't score enough points
    > to get the Cat 1 upgrade. They've got an entire year to get 30 points for godssake. If they can't
    > do that, the local races are plenty fast for them - they aren't finishing with the leaders there.

    It's a basic principle of sports preparation that to get better it's important to participate in a
    wide range of competitions -- some that are relatively easy and some that are a stretch for your
    ability and some in between that.

    Riding sometimes in competition that is extremely difficult can teach you things that you may not
    learn in a field that is easier to ride
    in. To whit, cornering at higher speed, confidence in larger fields. These things can all benefit
    you when you compete against riders you are more likely to beat.

    I know I learned a helluvalot riding pro-1-2 stage races that I had not a chance of placing in --
    and that helped me in local 1-2-3 and masters races.

    JT

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  11. "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "William R. Kelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:J%WX9.678
    > >
    > > By definition, Cat 2s are challenged enough in the local races if they can't score enough points
    > > to get the Cat 1 upgrade. They've got an entire year to get 30 points for godssake. If they
    > > can't do that, the local races are plenty fast for them - they aren't finishing with the leaders
    > > there.
    >
    > It's a basic principle of sports preparation that to get better it's important to participate in a
    > wide range of competitions -- some that are relatively easy and some that are a stretch for your
    > ability and some in between that.
    >
    > Riding sometimes in competition that is extremely difficult can teach you things that you may not
    > learn in a field that is easier to ride
    > in. To whit, cornering at higher speed, confidence in larger fields. These things can all benefit
    > you when you compete against riders you are more likely to beat.
    >
    > I know I learned a helluvalot riding pro-1-2 stage races that I had not a chance of placing in --
    > and that helped me in local 1-2-3 and masters races.

    Sure, but did you want someone to pay for your learning experiences? The start of the thread was
    about a Cat 2 wanting to compete "outside of the Tri state area". I personally would be embarrassed
    to solicit funds to sponsor a race I would not be competitive in, but to each their own.

    BTW, even Cat 1s will get their butts kicked by the pros.
     
  12. "The Pomeranian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > A lot of teams are CAT1/2, so that means CAT2's might simply be riding in support of the better
    > riders on the team. Sort of like Hincapie riding for Armstrong in the TdF. Just because Hincapie
    > can't win ("score points") in the TdF doesn't mean he shouldn't go.

    Hincapie is capable of influencing the outcome of stages of the TdF. His work last year setting
    tempo was exemplary. His work in the TdF is why there is no question that he will get his contract
    renewed every year and why there is no question that he will be on the team. It is not because of
    his Classics ability, that is secondary.

    Cat 2s are not capable of influencing a pro race in any way. Even very few Cat 1s are capable of
    that. In the pro team thread I posited that there were only 40-50 riders in N. America capable of
    influencing a pro race, Lieswyn put the number of riders getting paid at 40 in a separate thread. So
    let's be generous and say there are 60 who are capable of that. A Cat 2 is about number five hundred
    (that's being charitable).
     
  13. Ronde Champ

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    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > "The Pomeranian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > A lot of teams are CAT1/2, so that means CAT2's might simply be riding in support of the better
    > > riders on the team. Sort of like Hincapie riding for Armstrong in the TdF. Just because Hincapie
    > > can't win ("score points") in the TdF doesn't mean he shouldn't go.
    >
    >
    >
    > Hincapie is capable of influencing the outcome of stages of the TdF. His work last year setting
    > tempo was exemplary. His work in the TdF is why
    there
    > is no question that he will get his contract renewed every year and why there is no question that
    > he will be on the team. It is not because of his Classics ability, that is secondary.
    >
    > Cat 2s are not capable of influencing a pro race in any way. Even very few Cat 1s are capable of
    > that. In the pro team thread I posited that there
    were
    > only 40-50 riders in N. America capable of influencing a pro race, Lieswyn put the number of
    > riders getting paid at 40 in a separate thread. So let's be generous and say there are 60 who are
    > capable of that. A Cat 2 is about number five hundred (that's being charitable).

    Not unless you are a cat 2 named David Sommerville.

    Thanks, Ronde Champ
     
  14. > Sure, but did you want someone to pay for your learning experiences? The start of the thread
    > was about a Cat 2 wanting to compete "outside of the Tri state area". I personally would be
    > embarrassed to solicit funds to sponsor a race I would not be competitive in, but to each
    > their own.
    >
    > BTW, even Cat 1s will get their butts kicked by the pros.

    This is not necessarily true ALL of the time, although most of the time. I watched a race last year,
    Michelin Classic day 2, where a Cat 2 junior finished 5th in a large and prestigious field that
    contained many pros from around the US. Some of the pros racing were Hincapie, Oscar Pineda, Dave
    McCook, and some others. So it is possible for a cat 2 to be competitive in a pro race, it just
    doesn't happen that often. Harder races make you (if you finish) a better rider.
     
  15. "Tom Arsenault" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > Sure, but did you want someone to pay for your learning experiences? The start of the thread was
    > > about a Cat 2 wanting to compete "outside of the
    Tri
    > > state area". I personally would be embarrassed to solicit funds to
    sponsor a
    > > race I would not be competitive in, but to each their own.
    > >
    > > BTW, even Cat 1s will get their butts kicked by the pros.
    >
    > This is not necessarily true ALL of the time, although most of the time. I watched a race last
    > year, Michelin Classic day 2, where a Cat 2 junior finished 5th in a large and prestigious field
    > that contained many pros from around the US. Some of the pros racing were Hincapie, Oscar Pineda,
    > Dave McCook, and some others. So it is possible for a cat 2 to be competitive in a pro race, it
    > just doesn't happen that often. Harder races make you (if you finish) a better rider.

    If a Cat 2 rider is good enough to score in an NRC race (was that race NRC?), then the only reason
    they're Cat 2 is they haven't done enough races to become a Cat 1. Let's talk about the rule and not
    the exception because that rider would not be a Cat 2 for long.

    If we talk about the exception, then we can wax poetic about when John Tomac had to enter Cat 4
    races the same year he won the Pro Crit Nationals and how Cat 4s should all be sent to Pro Crit
    Nationals because that harder racing will make them better.

    Kurgan Gringioni (advocate of the Cat 4 racer being given a plane ticket to nationals)
     
  16. Dan

    Dan Guest

    [email protected] (Tom Arsenault) wrote in message
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    > This is not necessarily true ALL of the time, although most of the time. I watched a race last
    > year, Michelin Classic day 2, where a Cat 2 junior finished 5th in a large and prestigious field
    > that contained many pros from around the US. Some of the pros racing were Hincapie, Oscar Pineda,
    > Dave McCook, and some others. So it is possible for a cat 2 to be competitive in a pro race, it
    > just doesn't happen that often. Harder races make you (if you finish) a better rider.

    There's a big difference between a cat 2 junior and a 30 year old 2.
     
  17. Kyle Legate

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    On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

    > If a Cat 2 rider is good enough to score in an NRC race (was that race NRC?), then the only reason
    > they're Cat 2 is they haven't done enough races to become a Cat 1. Let's talk about the rule and
    > not the exception because that rider would not be a Cat 2 for long.
    >
    What if a cat 2 has a good day?

    > If we talk about the exception, then we can wax poetic about when John Tomac had to enter Cat 4
    > races the same year he won the Pro Crit Nationals and how Cat 4s should all be sent to Pro Crit
    > Nationals because that harder racing will make them better.
    >
    I rode our nationals as a cat 3. Would've won too if it weren't for the stupid crash 20 m ahead of
    me on the only flat straightaway of the whole course.

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  18. Amit

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    "William R. Kelly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "David Sommerville" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > post says NYC based cat 2 looking for a solid amateur team to compete beyond the tri-state area.
    >
    >
    >
    > That's funny when guys want to travel to bigger races when they can't win the small ones.
    >
    > (i am assuming he can't win the small ones since he's a Cat 2)

    He just says he wants to race more outside the Tri-state area. He doesn't say he wants to do bigger
    races, he just wants to find a team that wants to race (maybe just local races) in some different
    areas, what's wrong with that ?

    -Amit
     
  19. "Amit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > He just says he wants to race more outside the Tri-state area. He doesn't say he wants to do
    > bigger races, he just wants to find a team that wants to race (maybe just local races) in some
    > different areas, what's wrong with that ?

    wanted: team for Cat 4 racer who wishes to race a national schedule. Said Cat 4 racer is not
    competitive in local Cat 4 races but would like a team to pick up expenses for travel costs, lodging
    and entry fees. Please email: [email protected]
     
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