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  1. Hello all,

    the situation is this. The middle ring on my commuting bike's chainset is wearing out. It's a cheap
    chainset and the rings are not removable (as far as I can tell). I had always planned with this bike
    to replace bits as they wore out (and where possible) with the old but good and serviceable bits off
    my old tourer and buy nice shiny new bits for the tourer. This seems like my first opportunity. My
    first question:- will the fact that the chainset is coming off a bike with rear spacing of 127mm and
    going on one with spacing of 135mm. make any difference at all to the feasability of this plan? I'm
    assuming I'd stick to the same length bottom bracket as recommended for the chainset so wouldn't the
    chainline alter and does this matter? My other question concerns the new chainset. I'm sorely
    tempted to browse the TA range. They seem to have two new ones - Carmina and Vega. I can't seem to
    find out much about them except one's black and one's not. Anyone know anything more substantial
    such as are either suitable for a strictly on-road tourer?

    thanks, tony R.

  2. On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:03:09 -0000, "tony R" <[email hidden]>

    wrote in message : said:

    will the fact that the chainset is coming off a bike with rear spacing of 127mm and going on one
    with spacing of 135mm. make any difference at all to the feasability of this plan?

    As long as the inner ring doesn't foul the chainstays, I would say not. If it does foul, fit a
    fractionally longer axle.

    Guy
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  3. tony R said:

    Hello all,

    the situation is this. The middle ring on my commuting bike's chainset is wearing out. It's a
    cheap chainset and the rings are not removable (as far as I can tell). I had always planned with
    this bike to replace bits as they wore out (and where possible) with the old but good and
    serviceable bits off my old tourer and buy nice shiny new bits for the tourer. This seems like my
    first opportunity. My first question:- will the fact that the chainset is coming off a bike with
    rear spacing of 127mm and going on one with spacing of 135mm. make any difference at all to the
    feasability of this plan? I'm assuming I'd stick to the same length bottom bracket as recommended
    for the chainset so wouldn't the chainline alter and does this matter?

    Chain angle would indeed alter. There's a chance a longer bottom bracket than the recommeneded
    standard would be required to make it acceptable. I'm sorry I can't be any more specific than that.
    The question should be worth reposing to rec.bicycles.tech.

    Chainline with derailleur gears is not an exact science because chainline is always compromised as
    it can only be perfect in one gear (generally supposed to be middle ring to middle sprocket - but
    doesn't strictly have to be). What gear combinations you prefer, plus more subtle factors like chain
    stay length, make a difference to how well transmission works. For instance, if bottom bracket did
    turn out to be on the short side for the hub, chainline from middle ring to smaller rear sprockets
    would be poorer but middle ring to larger sprockets would be better. In fact, there is often
    excessive friction when using these particular gears on road bikes with triples and 130mm hubs. So
    it's silver cloudy roundabouts and swings and linings... or something like that :-) The very top and
    bottom gears are likely to be ok, anyway, but there will be a more limited number of "good" gears
    from both inner & outer rings if the chainline was "off". I think this is less important than what
    effect it has on the middle ring (because that's what is usually used for most of the time).

    Quoted message said:

    My other question concerns the new chainset. I'm sorely tempted to browse the TA range. They seem
    to have two new ones - Carmina and Vega. I can't seem to find out much about them except one's
    black and one's not. Anyone know anything more substantial such as are either suitable for a
    strictly on-road tourer?

    Sorry I don't know much about those models but I don't see why any chainset or ring sizes you like
    wouldn't be good on a tourer if the bottom bracket and front mech were suitable. Dawes are even
    fitting compact Shimano MTB chainsets to some of their tourers.

    ~PB

  4. "Pete Biggs" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    tony R wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    :- will the fact that the chainset is coming off a bike
    with rear spacing of 127mm and going on one with spacing of 135mm. make any difference at all to
    the feasability of this plan? I'm assuming I'd stick to the same length bottom bracket as
    recommended for the chainset so wouldn't the chainline alter and does this matter?

    Chain angle would indeed alter. There's a chance a longer bottom bracket than the recommeneded
    standard would be required to make it acceptable. I'm sorry I can't be any more specific than
    that. The question should be worth reposing to rec.bicycles.tech.

    Thanks for the replies Pete and Guy. From what you say it seems the bottom bracket axle length
    recommendations given out with chainsets are guidelines rather than absolute requirements. I'm a
    little more confident about the switch now.

    tony R.

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