=> Charlie Sheen - Courageous Truth Seeker and Patriot <=

Discussion in 'General Fitness' started by Hank, Mar 21, 2006.

  1. Hank

    Hank Guest

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm

    "The highly suspicious collapse of building 7 and the twin
    towers has previously been put under the spotlight by physics
    Professor Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories,
    the company that certified the steel components used in the
    construction of the World Trade Center towers.

    "The term 'pull' is as common to the demolition world as
    'action and 'cut' are to the movie world," said Sheen.

    Sheen referenced firefighters in the buildings who were eyewitnesses
    to demolition style implosions and bombs.

    "This is not you or I watching the videos and speculating on what
    we saw, these are gentlemen inside the buildings at the very point
    of collapse."

    "If there's a problem with building 7 then there's a problem with
    the whole thing," said Sheen."




    http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/210306hugereaction.htm

    "The mainstream media pour over stories about Mr. Sheen's personal life whether real or manufactured yet will they remain silent when Sheen actually discusses something serious?
    Our hope is that Sheen's stance, which is by no means a rarity for him or his family who have been politically engaged for decades, will encourage other high profile celebrities to use their platform to educate America and the world on the serious issues that face us and the real perpetrators of global terrorism."



    -

    http://www.st911.org


    "The new America, born in sin and arrogance, delusional
    in Manifest Destiny, bred in overabundant gluttony,
    consumerist and materialist, fathered by George W. Bush,
    Dick Cheney and the Cabal of Criminality, a country flocked
    by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world
    growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of
    omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies
    throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens,
    losing its edge in the sciences and arts, producing a nation
    of acquiescent automatons brainwashed to never question
    authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance."
    - Manuel Valenzuela


    "You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
    before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
    because of his gross incomptence.

    "The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
    human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
    and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr

    Ever wonder who benefits from the 200 MILLION
    U.S. taxpayer dollars spent EACH DAY in Iraq?
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own war crimes in Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
    he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
    -- George W. Bush

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
    will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
    Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
    -- Adolf Hitler


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    http://responsiblewealth.org/
    http://globalresearch.ca/
    http://www.wsws.org/

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)



    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
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  2. Hank wrote:

    > http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm
    >
    > "The highly suspicious collapse of building 7 and the twin
    >towers has previously been put under the spotlight by physics
    >Professor Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories,
    >the company that certified the steel components used in the
    >construction of the World Trade Center towers.


    There can be no doubt that many "spotlights," in addition to Jones' and
    Ryan's, have been turned to the collapse of WTC7. Beyond that, this
    statment says nothing.

    >"The term 'pull' is as common to the demolition world as
    >'action and 'cut' are to the movie world," said Sheen.


    Hank here demonstrates a propoganda technique called "appeal to authority."
    The laughable parts are that, while Sheens alledged statement is probably
    true, his authority in the matter has not been established nor is the
    statement in any way proof of anything regarding the WTC buildings.

    >Sheen referenced firefighters in the buildings who were eyewitnesses
    >to demolition style implosions and bombs.


    Who were these firefighters? What are their names? Did they witness
    actual demolition or demolition-style imploshions?

    >"This is not you or I watching the videos and speculating on what
    >we saw, these are gentlemen inside the buildings at the very point
    >of collapse."


    This statement discounts the images on which Hank depends for so many of
    his "proofs" and replaces them with hearsay. This was probably not an
    outstanding tactic on Hank's part.

    >"If there's a problem with building 7 then there's a problem with
    >the whole thing," said Sheen."


    How profound! And completely without significance, too.

    > http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/210306hugereaction.htm
    >
    > "The mainstream media pour over stories about Mr. Sheen's personal life whether real or manufactured yet >wlll they remain silent when Sheen actually discusses something serious?


    This might be because he is an actor rather than a expert concerning anything
    to do with the WTC.

    > Our hope is that Sheen's stance, which is by no means a rarity for him or his family who have been politically engaged for decades, will encourage other high profile celebrities to use their platform to educate America and the world on the serious issues that face us and the real perpetrators of global terrorism."


    My hope is that Hank realizes that this thread does more to discount his
    allegations than to support them.

    --
    ========================================================================
    Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
    | two, one and one make one."
    mrkesti at comcast dot net | - The Who, Bargain
     
  3. Hank

    Hank Guest

    Michael R. Kesti wrote:
    > Hank wrote:


    >>http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm


    >>Sheen referenced firefighters in the buildings who were eyewitnesses
    >>to demolition style implosions and bombs.


    > Who were these firefighters? What are their names? Did they witness
    > actual demolition or demolition-style imploshions?


    http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192

    “There was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on
    television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was
    going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”
    --Firefighter Richard Banaciski

    “I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You
    know like when they demolish a building?”--Assistant Fire Commissioner
    Stephen Gregory

    t was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges
    on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop,
    pop'."--Paramedic Daniel Rivera


    Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
    Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
    Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.

    Firefighter Louie Cacchioli, after entering the north tower lobby and
    seeing elevator doors completely blown out and people being hit with
    debris, asked himself, “how could this be happening so quickly if a
    plane hit way above?” After he reached the 24th floor, he and another
    fireman “heard this huge explosion that sounded like a bomb [and]
    knocked off the lights and stalled the elevator.” After they pried
    themselves out of the elevator, “another huge explosion like the first
    one hits. This one hits about two minutes later . . . [and] I’m
    thinking, ‘Oh. My God, these bastards put bombs in here like they did
    in 1993!’”12


    Multiple explosions were also reported by Teresa Veliz, who worked for
    a software development company in the north tower. She was on the 47th
    floor, she reported, when suddenly “the whole building shook. . . .
    [Shortly thereafter] the building shook again, this time even more
    violently." Then, while Veliz was making her way downstairs and
    outside: “There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced
    that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was
    sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. . . . There was
    another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run."

    Steve Evans, a New York-based correspondent for the BBC, said: “I was
    at the base of the second tower . . . that was hit. . . . There was an
    explosion. . . . The base of the building shook. . . . Then there was
    a series of explosions.”

    Sue Keane, an officer in the New Jersey Fire Police Department who was
    previously a sergeant in the U.S. Army, said in her account of the
    onset of the collapse of the south tower: “It sounded like bombs
    going off. That's when the explosions happened. . . . I knew something
    was going to happen. . . . It started to get dark, then all of a
    sudden there was this massive explosion.” Then, discussing her
    experiences during the collapse of the north tower, she said: “[There
    was] another explosion. That sent me and the two firefighters down the
    stairs. . . . I can't tell you how many times I got banged around.
    Each one of those explosions picked me up and threw me. . . . There
    was another explosion, and I got thrown with two firefighters out onto
    the street.”15

    Wall Street Journal reporter John Bussey, describing his observation
    of the collapse of the south tower from the ninth floor of the WSJ
    office building, said: “I . . . looked up out of the office window to
    see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from
    each floor. . . . One after the other, from top to bottom, with a
    fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces.”

    Another Wall Street Journal reporter said that after seeing what
    appeared to be “individual floors, one after the other exploding
    outward,” he thought: “‘My God, they’re going to bring the building
    down.’ And they, whoever they are, HAD SET CHARGES. . . . I saw the
    explosions.”

    A similar perception was reported by Beth Fertig of WNYC Radio, who
    said: “It just descended like a timed explosion—like when they are
    deliberately bringing a building down. . . . It was coming down so
    perfectly that in one part of my brain I was thinking, 'They got
    everyone out, and they're bringing the building down because they have
    to.'”

    A more graphic testimony to this perception was provided on the film
    made by the Naudet brothers. In a clip from that film, one can watch
    two firemen describing their experiences to other firemen.

    Fireman 1: “We made it outside, we made it about a block . .”

    Fireman 2: “We made it at least two blocks and we started running.”
    He makes explosive sounds and then uses a chopping hand motion to
    emphasize his next point: “Floor by floor it started popping out .”

    Fireman 1: “It was as if they had detonated--as if they were
    planning to take down a building, boom boom boom boom boom . . . .”

    Fireman 2: “All the way down. I was watching it and running. And
    then you just saw this cloud of shit chasing you down.”19

    Firefighter Timothy Julian said: “First I thought it was an
    explosion. I thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane, but delayed
    type of thing, you know secondary device. . . . I just heard like an
    explosion and then a cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like
    a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I
    looked up, and I saw it coming down.”21

    Emergency medical technician Michael Ober said: “[W]e heard a rumble,
    some twisting metal, we looked up in the air, and . . . it looked to
    me just like an explosion. It didn’t look like the building was coming
    down, it looked like just one floor had blown completely outside of
    it. . . . I didn’t think they were coming down. I just froze and stood
    there looking at it.”22 Ober’s testimony suggests that he heard and
    saw the explosion before he saw any sign that the building was coming
    down.

    Multiple Explosions

    The oral histories contain numerous testimonies with reports of more
    than one explosion. Paramedic Kevin Darnowski, for example, said: "I
    started walking back up towards Vesey Street. I heard three
    explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower
    two started to come down.”27

    Gregg Brady, an emergency medical technician, reported the same thing
    about the north tower, saying: “I heard 3 loud explosions. I look up
    and the north tower is coming down now."28

    Somewhat more explosions were reported by firefighter Thomas Turilli,
    who said, referring to the south tower, that “it almost sounded like
    bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight."29

    Even more explosions were reported by Craig Carlsen, who said that
    while he and other firefighters were looking up at the towers, they
    “heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed
    like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. . . . We
    then realized the building started to come down.”30

    “Pops”

    As before, “pops” were reported by some witnesses. “As we are looking
    up at the [south tower],” said firefighter Joseph Meola, “it looked
    like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard
    the pops. Didn't realize it was the falling--you know, you heard the
    pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out.”31

    “Pops” were also reported by paramedic Daniel Rivera in the following
    exchange:

    Q. How did you know that it [the south tower] was coming down?

    A. That noise. It was noise.

    Q. What did you hear? What did you see?

    A. It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was---do you
    ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain
    floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'? That's exactly
    what--because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise,
    that's when I saw the building coming down.

    Flashes were reported in the north tower by Captain Karin Deshore,
    who said: “Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center,
    there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just
    one flash.”

    Demolition Rings: At this point, Deshore’s account moved to another
    standard phenomenon seen by those who watch controlled demolitions:
    explosion rings, in which a series of explosions runs rapidly around a
    building. Deshore’s next words were: “Then this flash just kept
    popping all the way around the building and that building had started
    to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was
    initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and
    then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as
    I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting
    bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building."38

    An explosion ring (or belt) was also described by firefighter Richard
    Banaciski. Speaking of the south tower, he said: “[T]here was just an
    explosion. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these
    buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt,
    all these explosions.”39

    >>"If there's a problem with building 7 then there's a problem with
    >>the whole thing," said Sheen."


    > How profound! And completely without significance, too.


    It's only insignificant to people who have difficulty
    thinking clearly.

    > My hope is that Hank realizes that this thread does more to discount
    > his allegations than to support them.


    Why do you support the perpetrators of 9-11 and wish to suppress
    the truth to protect them?



    -


    http://www.st911.org



    Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
    to raging infernos for hours on end.

    http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

    On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
    had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
    at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
    demolition.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
    http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
    http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm


    "You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
    before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
    because of his gross incompetence.

    "The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
    human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
    and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr

    Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
    U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm
     
  4. Veritas

    Veritas Guest

  5. On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:59:32 -0800, "Michael R. Kesti"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >My hope is that Hank realizes that this thread does more to discount his
    >allegations than to support them.


    That's about as likely as him getting a girl friend.

    --

    Home page: http://xidos.ca/scripts/personal/
    (for the slightly racier version, add
    "defaultx.asp" to the above link)
     
  6. On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 01:43:44 GMT, [email protected] (Road Glidin'
    Don) wrote:

    >That's about as likely as him getting a girl friend.


    He goes the other way.
     
  7. NZMSC

    NZMSC Guest

    (Road Glidin' Don) wrote


    > That's about as likely as him getting a girl friend.


    Don't be unkind, Don. He's trying (very) but blind, deaf, and
    severely intellectually handicapped women are scarce where he
    lives.


    --
    Allan Kirk,
    Megarider Organisation,
    (Saving motorcyclists' lives since 1971 )
    www.megarider.com
     
  8. Hank wrote:

    >Michael R. Kesti wrote:
    >> Hank wrote:

    >
    >>>http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm

    >
    >>>Sheen referenced firefighters in the buildings who were eyewitnesses
    >>>to demolition style implosions and bombs.

    >
    >> Who were these firefighters? What are their names? Did they witness
    >> actual demolition or demolition-style imploshions?

    >
    > http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192


    <long quote from the link above snipped>

    Thank-you, Hank.

    Notice that many of these people use terms such as "seemed like" and
    "sounded like" but none of them claim that what they saw and heard were
    demolition charges. I respect this as it indicates they realize that,
    without first-hand knowledge of what caused those explosions, they can,
    at best, only guess what may have been their true cause.

    >>>"If there's a problem with building 7 then there's a problem with
    >>>the whole thing," said Sheen."

    >
    >> How profound! And completely without significance, too.

    >
    > It's only insignificant to people who have difficulty
    >thinking clearly.


    I could as easily claim that they are significant only to such people.
    I will refrain, though, so as to avoid reduce myself to your level.

    >> My hope is that Hank realizes that this thread does more to discount
    >> his allegations than to support them.

    >
    > Why do you support the perpetrators of 9-11 and wish to suppress
    >the truth to protect them?


    In what ways have I supported any perpetrators or suppressed any truths?

    --
    ========================================================================
    Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
    | two, one and one make one."
    mrkesti at comcast dot net | - The Who, Bargain
     
  9. Dr. Dickie

    Dr. Dickie Guest

    "Road Glidin' Don" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]shawnews...
    > On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:59:32 -0800, "Michael R. Kesti"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>My hope is that Hank realizes that this thread does more to discount his
    >>allegations than to support them.

    >
    > That's about as likely as him getting a girl friend.
    >
    > --


    Have no fear. Very often paranoid delusional people like Hank drink a lot to
    keep the demons at bay. Eventually, he will destroy enough of his brain (if
    his liver does not give out first) that he can no longer keep track in his
    head of all the people out to get him, etc. that goes into forming his
    delusional state.
    At that point, he becomes a ward of the state, and will no longer be able to
    get to the library computers.

    --

    Dr. Dickie
    Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
    Poking kooks with a pointy stick
    Repeal the 17th amendment; let's reinstate the proper checks and balances
    and end mob rule in my lifetime!
     
  10. On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:40:02 -0500, "Dr. Dickie"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Very often paranoid delusional people like Hank drink a lot to
    >keep the demons at bay.


    Not to worry, Hank is a "train spotter" instead.
     
  11. Hank

    Hank Guest

    NZMSC wrote:
    > (Road Glidin' Don) wrote


    >>That's about as likely as him getting a girl friend.


    > Don't be unkind, Don. He's trying (very) but blind, deaf, and
    > severely intellectually handicapped women are scarce where he
    > lives.


    It's amazing how thoroughly some people will humiliate and
    disgrace yourselves when they encounter truths that challenge
    their deeply held misconceptions. In your futile and desperate
    attempts to discredit those with the integrity, intelligence,
    and courage to reveal the truth and stand up to tyranny, you're
    willing to sacrifice your dignity and integrity, making complete
    fools of yourselves. Helpless children trapped in a middle
    aged man's body...
    Can't say it comes as a big surprise, though... <chuckle>




    -


    http://www.st911.org



    Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
    to raging infernos for hours on end.

    http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

    On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
    had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
    at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
    demolition.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
    http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
    http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm


    "You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
    before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
    because of his gross incompetence.

    "The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
    human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
    and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr

    Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
    U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    http://www.commondreams.org/
    http://www.truthout.org/
    http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
    http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
    http://counterpunch.org/
    http://responsiblewealth.org/

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
  12. Hank

    Hank Guest

    Veritas wrote:

    > lunatic and moonbat.


    Nah, you seem more like a typical simple minded
    sheep, incapable of independent thought, relying on your
    ruling masters to do your "thinking" for you, and believing
    everything they say....


    -


    http://www.st911.org



    Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
    to raging infernos for hours on end.

    http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

    On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
    had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
    at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
    demolition.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
    http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
    http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm


    "You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
    before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
    because of his gross incompetence.

    "The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
    human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
    and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr

    Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
    U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    http://www.commondreams.org/
    http://www.truthout.org/
    http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
    http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
    http://counterpunch.org/
    http://responsiblewealth.org/

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
  13. Hank

    Hank Guest

    Michael R. Kesti wrote:
    > Hank wrote:


    >>>Who were these firefighters? What are their names? Did they witness
    >>>actual demolition or demolition-style imploshions?


    >> http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192


    > <long quote from the link above snipped>


    > Thank-you, Hank.


    My pleasure. As you know, I always support everything I write
    with hard facts and qualified references. There certainly were
    a lot of people who saw, heard, and felt explosions. Did you
    no that the bu$h regime placed a gag order on NYC firefighters
    and they are prohibited from speaking about what they witnessed
    on 9-11? Strange behavior for people with nothing to fear from
    the truth, wouldn't you agree?

    > Notice that many of these people use terms such as "seemed like" and
    > "sounded like" but none of them claim that what they saw and heard were
    > demolition charges. I respect this as it indicates they realize that,
    > without first-hand knowledge of what caused those explosions, they can,
    > at best, only guess what may have been their true cause.


    Looks like you misread the quotes:

    "There was just an explosion [in the south tower]."

    "I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building."

    Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
    Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.

    "Firefighter Louie Cacchioli, after entering the north tower lobby
    and seeing elevator doors completely blown out and people being hit
    with debris, asked himself, “how could this be happening so quickly if
    a plane hit way above?"

    "Multiple explosions were also reported by Teresa Veliz, who worked
    for a software development company in the north tower. She was on the
    47th floor, she reported, when suddenly “the whole building shook.
    [Shortly thereafter] the building shook again, this time even more
    violently." Then, while Veliz was making her way downstairs and
    outside: “There were explosions going off everywhere."

    "One after the other, from top to bottom, with a
    fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces."

    Multiple Explosions

    "The oral histories contain numerous testimonies with reports of more
    than one explosion. Paramedic Kevin Darnowski, for example, said: "I
    started walking back up towards Vesey Street. I heard three
    explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower
    two started to come down.”27

    "Gregg Brady, an emergency medical technician, reported the same thing
    about the north tower, saying: “I heard 3 loud explosions. I look up
    and the north tower is coming down now."

    "Even more explosions were reported by Craig Carlsen, who said that
    while he and other firefighters were looking up at the towers, they
    “heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed
    like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. . . . We
    then realized the building started to come down.”30

    It's seems clear that no matter how much proof is provided,
    you will continue to embrace the bu$h regime's impossible
    magic fire fantasy.

    >>>>"If there's a problem with building 7 then there's a problem with
    >>>>the whole thing," said Sheen."


    >>>How profound! And completely without significance, too.


    >> It's only insignificant to people who have difficulty
    >>thinking clearly.


    > I could as easily claim that they are significant only to such
    > people.


    You could, but it wouldn't make any sense. Obviously, if
    it's proven to the vast majority of people that WTC7 was
    deliberately demolished, that would completely expose
    the bu$h regime's entire 9-11 scam, proving complicity at
    the highest levels of government. If you find that insignificant,
    you're definitely not thinking clearly.

    >>>My hope is that Hank realizes that this thread does more to
    >>>discount his allegations than to support them.


    >> Why do you support the perpetrators of 9-11 and wish to suppress
    >>the truth to protect them?


    > In what ways have I supported any perpetrators or suppressed any
    > truths?


    You just said that you hope this thread does more to discount
    the truth than to support it.



    -


    http://www.st911.org



    Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
    to raging infernos for hours on end.

    http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

    On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
    had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
    at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
    demolition.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
    http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
    http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm


    "You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
    before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
    because of his gross incompetence.

    "The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
    human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
    and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr

    Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
    U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    http://www.commondreams.org/
    http://www.truthout.org/
    http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
    http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
    http://counterpunch.org/
    http://responsiblewealth.org/

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
  14. Hank

    Hank Guest

    Dr. Dickie wrote:

    > Have no fear. Very often paranoid delusional people like Hank drink a lot to
    > keep the demons at bay. Eventually, he will destroy enough of his brain (if
    > his liver does not give out first) that he can no longer keep track in his
    > head of all the people out to get him, etc. that goes into forming his
    > delusional state.
    > At that point, he becomes a ward of the state, and will no longer be able to
    > get to the library computers.


    The more you bu$h apologists reveal of your "intellects"
    the easier it is to understand why it's so easy for your
    ruling masters to program and brainwash you. You silly
    clowns =simply= lack the ability to think logically. Your
    minds are impotent and useless, and you react based on your
    emotions which you are completely unable to control.
    Thanks for repeatedly confirming what your many betters have
    suspected for quite some time. <chuckle>






    -


    http://www.st911.org



    Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
    to raging infernos for hours on end.

    http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html

    On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
    had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
    at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
    demolition.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
    http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
    http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm


    "You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
    before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
    because of his gross incompetence.

    "The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
    human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
    and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr

    Ever wonder who benefits from the 150 MILLION
    U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq?
    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm
    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    http://www.commondreams.org/
    http://www.truthout.org/
    http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
    http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
    http://counterpunch.org/
    http://responsiblewealth.org/

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
     
  15. Tony

    Tony Guest

    Hank wrote:
    > It's amazing how thoroughly some people will humiliate and
    > disgrace yourselves when they encounter truths that challenge
    > their deeply held misconceptions.


    Yep, it sure is :)
     
  16. Michael R. Kesti wrote:

    > My hope is that Hank realizes that this thread does more to discount
    > his allegations than to support them.


    If Hank thought that conundrum thorugh to its logical conclusion, he'd
    stop posting entirely. Then he'd have to find a new outled for his OCD.

    --
    Albert Nurick | "Everyone is entitled to his own
    [email protected] | opinion, but not his own facts."
    www.nurick.com |
    04 FJR1300A / RCOS #7 | - Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan
     
  17. Hank

    Hank Guest

    Albert Nurick wrote:
    > Michael R. Kesti wrote:


    > > My hope is that Hank realizes that this thread does more to discount
    > > his allegations than to support them.


    > If Hank thought that conundrum thorugh to its logical conclusion, he'd
    > stop posting entirely. Then he'd have to find a new outled for his OCD.


    The 911 Truth movement is stronger than ever, and bu$h's
    approval level is weaker than ever. Virtually everything
    Enlightened Liberals have claimed and predicted regarding
    the bu$h regime and it's treasonous, destructive polices
    has been confirmed.
    You, as a bu$h apologist, are now in a fringe minority of
    extremists, pitied but tolerated by your many betters. My
    work has been a success and will continue.
    You're welcome.

    PS
    Do you still "think" that "no one died or even lost any
    blood" in bu$h's Iraqi torture chambers, or have you
    finally been convinced that you were ignorant of the
    facts when you wrote it?
    (This is where Albert gets very, very quiet) <chuckle>


    -
    http://www.st911.org

    "Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
    to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
    a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
    -Albert Nurick, a usenet kook, on the rape, torture and murder
    at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
    (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm)


    "The new America, born in sin and arrogance, delusional
    in Manifest Destiny, bred in overabundant gluttony,
    consumerist and materialist, fathered by George W. Bush,
    Dick Cheney and the Cabal of Criminality, a country flocked
    by sheeple, ignorant and conditioned, indifferent to a world
    growing up around it, living delusions of empire and of
    omnipotence, building hatred against it and its policies
    throughout the planet, slowly dumbing down its citizens,
    losing its edge in the sciences and arts, producing a nation
    of acquiescent automatons brainwashed to never question
    authority and always faithfully follow the crimes of governance."
    - Manuel Valenzuela
     
  18. NZMSC

    NZMSC Guest

    > Hank wrote:
    >> It's amazing how thoroughly some people will humiliate
    >> and disgrace yourselves when they encounter truths that
    >> challenge their deeply held misconceptions.




    Er, Hank, I don't see your posts because I have you killfiled
    (Oh bliss!) but I did see the above.

    Just a little point. People do not humiliate *yourselves*...

    Now, I know you are going to say that you are American
    and so the Queen's English is foreign to you but, hey, the
    others here seem to have mastered it OK.

    But, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Generally,
    I'll agree that the US should never have gone into Iraq but I
    find your sermons and rants to be both a waste of time and,
    to be quite truthful, childish. So, if you are antagonising
    your "supporters", do you really think you're changing
    anyone's minds? And, if not, why are you wasting your
    efforts? Just a thought.

    --
    Allan Kirk,
    Megarider Organisation,
    (Saving motorcyclists' lives since 1971 )
    www.megarider.com
     
  19. On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:31:12 GMT, NZMSC <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >So, if you are antagonising
    >your "supporters", do you really think you're changing
    >anyone's minds? And, if not, why are you wasting your
    >efforts? Just a thought.


    Totally odd, isn't it? Implicit proof, I'd say, that Hank suffers
    from OCD.

    Or extreme immaturity. Take your pick. ;)

    --

    Home page: http://xidos.ca/scripts/personal/
    (for the slightly racier version, add
    "defaultx.asp" to the above link)
     
  20. Hank wrote:

    >Michael R. Kesti wrote:
    >> Hank wrote:

    >
    >>>>Who were these firefighters? What are their names? Did they witness
    >>>>actual demolition or demolition-style imploshions?

    >
    >>> http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192

    >
    >> <long quote from the link above snipped>

    >
    >> Thank-you, Hank.

    >
    > My pleasure. As you know, I always support everything I write
    >with hard facts and qualified references. There certainly were
    >a lot of people who saw, heard, and felt explosions. Did you
    >no that the bu$h regime placed a gag order on NYC firefighters
    >and they are prohibited from speaking about what they witnessed
    >on 9-11? Strange behavior for people with nothing to fear from
    >the truth, wouldn't you agree?
    >
    >> Notice that many of these people use terms such as "seemed like" and
    >> "sounded like" but none of them claim that what they saw and heard were
    >> demolition charges. I respect this as it indicates they realize that,
    >> without first-hand knowledge of what caused those explosions, they can,
    >> at best, only guess what may have been their true cause.

    >
    > Looks like you misread the quotes:
    >
    > "There was just an explosion [in the south tower]."
    >
    >"I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building."
    >
    > Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
    > Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
    >
    > "Firefighter Louie Cacchioli, after entering the north tower lobby
    >and seeing elevator doors completely blown out and people being hit
    >with debris, asked himself, “how could this be happening so quickly if
    >a plane hit way above?"
    >
    > "Multiple explosions were also reported by Teresa Veliz, who worked
    >for a software development company in the north tower. She was on the
    >47th floor, she reported, when suddenly “the whole building shook.
    >[Shortly thereafter] the building shook again, this time even more
    >violently." Then, while Veliz was making her way downstairs and
    >outside: “There were explosions going off everywhere."
    >
    >"One after the other, from top to bottom, with a
    >fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces."
    >
    > Multiple Explosions
    >
    >"The oral histories contain numerous testimonies with reports of more
    >than one explosion. Paramedic Kevin Darnowski, for example, said: "I
    >started walking back up towards Vesey Street. I heard three
    >explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower
    >two started to come down.”27
    >
    >"Gregg Brady, an emergency medical technician, reported the same thing
    >about the north tower, saying: “I heard 3 loud explosions. I look up
    >and the north tower is coming down now."
    >
    >"Even more explosions were reported by Craig Carlsen, who said that
    >while he and other firefighters were looking up at the towers, they
    >“heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed
    >like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. . . . We
    >then realized the building started to come down.”30


    I readily accept that there were explosions. Their occurance does not
    prove that demolition charges had been set.

    > It's seems clear that no matter how much proof is provided,
    >you will continue to embrace the bu$h regime's impossible
    >magic fire fantasy.


    I have pointed out that your logic is flawed but have embraced no
    explanation.

    >>>>>"If there's a problem with building 7 then there's a problem with
    >>>>>the whole thing," said Sheen."

    >
    >>>>How profound! And completely without significance, too.

    >
    >>> It's only insignificant to people who have difficulty
    >>>thinking clearly.

    >
    >> I could as easily claim that they are significant only to such
    >> people.

    >
    > You could, but it wouldn't make any sense.


    Just as your claim made no sense.

    > Obviously, if
    >it's proven to the vast majority of people that WTC7 was
    >deliberately demolished, that would completely expose
    >the bu$h regime's entire 9-11 scam, proving complicity at
    >the highest levels of government.


    Proof does not depend on a majority and you would have to prove
    not only that there was deliberate demolition but that the president
    was responsible for that deliberate demolition in order to expose any
    such scam and/or complicity.

    > If you find that insignificant,
    >you're definitely not thinking clearly.


    I am of the opinion that your logical fallacies demonstrate your
    inability to think clearly.

    >>>>My hope is that Hank realizes that this thread does more to
    >>>>discount his allegations than to support them.

    >
    >>> Why do you support the perpetrators of 9-11 and wish to suppress
    >>>the truth to protect them?

    >
    >> In what ways have I supported any perpetrators or suppressed any
    >> truths?

    >
    > You just said that you hope this thread does more to discount
    >the truth than to support it.


    I said no such thing.

    --
    ========================================================================
    Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
    | two, one and one make one."
    mrkesti at comcast dot net | - The Who, Bargain
     
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