http://www.cyclingnews.com/sponsors/italia/2005/colnago.php
Downright scary... I wonder what frames/forks those other brands are?
Downright scary... I wonder what frames/forks those other brands are?
Interesting article, thanks. Have seen the press release from Colnago announcing the move of the mid-range production to the Taiwan A-Team group, and like the fact Ernesto Colnago is up-front about sourcing.Roach11 said:http://www.cyclingnews.com/sponsors/italia/2005/colnago.php
Downright scary... I wonder what frames/forks those other brands are?
JTE83 said:But Colnago CF frame and forks will break in a crash. I saw a crash at a criterium where a guy broke his Colnago's fork. He wasn't injured but his fork broke in half. So much for high quality Colnago CF.
Agree with Adam that everything CF can break in a crash. Didn't mean to imply that Colnago makes the world's strongest or best CF fork, or that they had any advantage over other name brands like Reynolds, Easton, Kestrel etc.JTE83 said:But Colnago CF frame and forks will break in a crash. I saw a crash at a criterium where a guy broke his Colnago's fork. He wasn't injured but his fork broke in half. So much for high quality Colnago CF.
mrowkoob said:"I am the first Italian who has officially decided to move part of my production to Taiwan."
That´s just hilarious
Adam-from-SLO said:Dude... any Carbon fork will bust given enough force / impact on collision. I've seen Kestral carbon fork bust before.... and I'm sure several other carbon forks out there have busted since the early 1990's
So much for high quality Colnago CF
Believe that Colnago is confident the frames from Taiwan will be at least as good a quality as anything they can produce in Italy. In fact, I'd say it's likely the Taiwan plant produces fewer defects than his little operation in the old country. After all, their volume and efficiency allows them the profits needed to invest in the latest and greatest automated process-control equipment. It's hard for "Fatto a mano" to compete with that.Adam-from-SLO said:It is kinda funny... considering over the last 50 years, Colnago has built up such a knarly/awesome reputation.. in producing high end track/road/ heck even MTB framesets ......... then moving a large chunk of its manufacturing of framesets to Taiwan (obviously in an effort to Produce MORE.... and thus increase yearly profits ) I have also noticed that Colnago has STOPPED production of a full STEEL frameset(as of either 2004/5)... so no more Master Lights/Olympics , Technos, etc.
Could a tried/true frame builders reputation go down the tubes in a 2-10 year time frame , if these Taiwan frames have a high failure rate (in comparison to "Frames sold in the USA / Canada") ??? Only time will tell.
Is this a move by Ernesto to rake in as much profits in the coming years... and be able to retire w/ a hairum of fine Italian ladies in his final years ..... not sure exactly- however, I am Italian... and IF I was Ernesto.... in my 60's + ....... a business man , I may be very well contemplete the same plight in my final years on this planet .
I've been a proud Colnago owner since late 1997 .... when I bought one of there framesets from a Canadian distributer. The frame I purchased Colnago only produced for 2 years 1996/7 . Come to find out in 1998 , the frame I purchased Colnago STOPPED production of this frame due to : being overly too costly to produce / too much time needed to weld the frame + cost of materials - to the reap much "profits" from its production
I do still own this Colnago frame.... however I've contemplated selling it(due to it not fitting me 100% .... I can ride the bike, and make it work for me... but its just not a perfect fit for me). Its destiny is not clear.
I wish Colnago good fortunes with this decision Ernesto has made for his company - however, if I was a betting man... I'd say in 2-4 years, Ernesto may very well see a decline in quality at that Tiawan plant..... then have to revamp his companies aim in the coming years (as an older person.. you should not have to make compromises like this in life.... just live - be happy , and enjoy all the greatness you've already attained in life- and revel in how much joy you've brought to others lives ).
dhk said:Believe that Colnago is confident the frames from Taiwan will be at least as good a quality as anything they can produce in Italy. In fact, I'd say it's likely the Taiwan plant produces fewer defects than his little operation in the old country. After all, their volume and efficiency allows them the profits needed to invest in the latest and greatest automated process-control equipment. It's hard for "Fatto a mano" to compete with that.
He's made a tough business decision, just like Trek and other major brands have done, but he's done it in public. Believe mrowkoob was hitting the point that the other italians are most likely using Taiwan-sourced tubesets and CF frames/forks, etc, but just not telling anyone. EG, where are Columbus tubesets and fork/stays made?
Not after that Colnago decal gets put on it! The production cost will be a lot lower but I doubt Colnago would want to dilute the brand by selling anything at a low price after spending years building it to the point he can get such a whopping premium.Adam-from-SLO said:However, I have a funny feeling that they will probably be producing a low-end full Carbon frameset.... for about 1/3 .. or 1/2 of what a C-40 or C-50 goes for
I have to say that I agree with many who regard the Taiwanese manufacturers, particularly the Giant consortium, as having been amongst the best mass production frame makers in the world for some time in all but the most expensive market levels, and I'm not convinced that they are behind there either.Adam-from-SLO said:I'd say in 2-4 years, Ernesto may very well see a decline in quality at that Tiawan plant.
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