Chris Carmichael-Phil Jackson comparison

[Ronde Champ]

Hey,

Chris Carmichael coaches Lance Armstrong. Phil Jackson
coached Michael Jordan. Lance will win 6 titles. Michael
won 6 titles. People call Chris a genius Sports Science
guru. People call Phil a genius Zen guru. Without Lance and
Michael, Chris and Phil are a bike shop manager and high
school basketball coach.....at best.

Thanks, Ronde Champ (w/teeth)

 

[Psycholist]

"Ronde Champ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hey,
>
> Chris Carmichael coaches Lance Armstrong. Phil Jackson
> coached Michael Jordan. Lance will win 6 titles. Michael
> won 6 titles. People call Chris a genius Sports Science
> guru. People call Phil a genius Zen guru. Without Lance
> and Michael, Chris and Phil are a bike shop manager and
> high school basketball coach.....at best.
>
> Thanks, Ronde Champ (w/teeth)

I think you're mixing apples and oranges. You're also
counting chickens before they hatch.

I don't think Carmichael holds a candle to Jackson. Jackson
brought out the best in Jordan, but also built a team, an
offense and a defense (the likes of which the NBA hadn't
seen before [with plenty of help from Tex ... Winter?])
that enabled Jordan and the Jordanaires to dominate the NBA
and blow away formidable opponents. I think Carmichael does
a good job of doing research and synthesizing it and making
up programs that work for Lance. But he has no
organizational or administrative responsibility for the
team or its performance. He just has to make sure Lance is
ready. Period.

Now, if you want to compare Jackson and Bruyneel, lets talk
in a couple of weeks.

Bob C.

 

[Andy Coggan]

"psycholist" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Ronde Champ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hey,
> >
> > Chris Carmichael coaches Lance Armstrong. Phil Jackson
> > coached Michael Jordan. Lance will win 6 titles.
> > Michael won 6 titles. People call Chris a genius Sports
> > Science guru. People call Phil a genius Zen guru.
> > Without Lance and Michael, Chris and Phil are a bike
> > shop manager and high school basketball coach.....at
> > best.
> >
> > Thanks, Ronde Champ (w/teeth)
>
> I think you're mixing apples and oranges. You're also
> counting chickens before they hatch.
>
> I don't think Carmichael holds a candle to Jackson.
> Jackson brought out
the
> best in Jordan, but also built a team, an offense and a
> defense (the likes of which the NBA hadn't seen before
> [with plenty of help from Tex ... Winter?]) that enabled
> Jordan and the Jordanaires to dominate the NBA and blow
> away formidable opponents. I think Carmichael does a
> good job of
doing
> research

What research is that? Or do you mean that he simply knows
how to read?

> and synthesizing it and making up programs that work for
> Lance. But he has no organizational or administrative
> responsibility for the team or its performance. He just
> has to make sure Lance is ready. Period.
>
> Now, if you want to compare Jackson and Bruyneel, lets
> talk in a couple of weeks.

Andy Coggan

 

[Kyle Legate]

Andy Coggan wrote:
>
> What research is that? Or do you mean that he simply knows
> how to read?
>
It's pretty narrow minded (especially for a scientist) to
think that research is only comprised of benchwork.

 

[Andy Coggan]

"Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Andy Coggan wrote:
> >
> > What research is that? Or do you mean that he simply
> > knows how to read?
> >
> It's pretty narrow minded (especially for a scientist) to
> think that research is only comprised of benchwork.

Of course there are many types of research, including
reading things on the internet - but I wanted to know what
sort of research the o.p. thought Carmichael performed.

Andy Coggan

 

[Psycholist]

"Andy Coggan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "psycholist" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Ronde Champ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > Chris Carmichael coaches Lance Armstrong. Phil
> > > Jackson coached Michael Jordan. Lance will win 6
> > > titles. Michael won 6 titles. People call Chris a
> > > genius Sports Science guru. People call Phil a genius
> > > Zen guru. Without Lance and Michael, Chris and Phil
> > > are a bike shop manager and high school basketball
> > > coach.....at best.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Ronde Champ (w/teeth)
> >
> > I think you're mixing apples and oranges. You're also
> > counting chickens before they hatch.
> >
> > I don't think Carmichael holds a candle to Jackson.
> > Jackson brought out
> the
> > best in Jordan, but also built a team, an offense and a
> > defense (the
likes
> > of which the NBA hadn't seen before [with plenty of help
> > from Tex ... Winter?]) that enabled Jordan and the
> > Jordanaires to dominate the NBA
and
> > blow away formidable opponents. I think Carmichael does
> > a good job of
> doing
> > research
>
> What research is that? Or do you mean that he simply knows
> how to read?

Exactly

 

[Bob Schwartz]

psycholist <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think Carmichael does a good job of doing research and
> synthesizing it and making up programs that work for
> Lance. But he has no organizational or administrative
> responsibility for the team or its performance. He just
> has to make sure Lance is ready. Period.

Since when is Carmichael LANCE's coach?

Bob Schwartz [email protected]

 

[Warren]

In article <[email protected]>, Andy
Coggan <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:2kutseF6m33bU1@uni-
> berlin.de...
> > Andy Coggan wrote:
> > >
> > > What research is that? Or do you mean that he simply
> > > knows how to read?
> > >
> > It's pretty narrow minded (especially for a scientist)
> > to think that research is only comprised of benchwork.
>
> Of course there are many types of research, including
> reading things on the internet - but I wanted to know what
> sort of research the o.p. thought Carmichael performed.

Presumably he can read the data that Lance and the Doc are
sharing with him. Is this coaching, research, or ...?

-WG

 

[Andy Coggan]

"warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:060720040822273686%[email protected]...
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> Andy Coggan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Kyle Legate" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:2kutseF6m33bU1@uni-
> > berlin.de...
> > > Andy Coggan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What research is that? Or do you mean that he simply
> > > > knows how to read?
> > > >
> > > It's pretty narrow minded (especially for a scientist)
> > > to think that research is only comprised of benchwork.
> >
> > Of course there are many types of research, including
> > reading things on
the
> > internet - but I wanted to know what sort of research
> > the o.p. thought Carmichael performed.
>
> Presumably he can read the data that Lance and the Doc are
> sharing with him. Is this coaching, research, or ...?

It's clearly coaching, since research is shared endeavor.

Andy Coggan