- Aug 16, 2004
cheapie said:sorry. i just had to say "what gives?" to ******** a couple members here.
but seriously. that's kind of freaky isn't it?
Carrera said:Apparently there was some kind of attack on lifeguards carried out by some Middle Eastern immigrants
The news stated they were Lebanese. I believe Lebanon IS in the Middle East and if they are living in a country that is not of their birth that DOES make them immigrants.darkboong said:Odd, the news reports didn't state it that way here. The reports I read state that people of "Arab or Mediterranean" appearance attacked the lifeguards. That is a million miles away from saying "Middle Eastern Immigrants".
darkboong said:Odd, the news reports didn't state it that way here. The reports I read state that people of "Arab or Mediterranean" appearance attacked the lifeguards. That is a million miles away from saying "Middle Eastern Immigrants".
Any excuse to pin the blame on the race you hate... ****ing racist.
Carrera said:Maybe you should ask Lim how come he concluded that everywhere Jewish people go, they antagonise people. Now who's antagonising whom in Australia?
Carrera said:Australia is ow seeing some of the biggest ethnic riots for many many years.
Carrera said:And I'll bet my bottom dollar if the right wing gangs now in Aussie land beating up Middle Eastern men were Jewish there would be no end of complaints about it.
I spent all my bikkies debating the French thing. Your on your own CarreraCarrera said:Seems from what I read so far that there is right and wrong on both sides. Apparently there was some kind of attack on lifeguards carried out by some Middle Eastern immigrants and then many Aussie thugs on the Far Right started attacking anyone of Middle Eastern appearance, so to speak.
But, sure, attacking innocent folks purely on the basis of race isn't a good thing and could hurt Australia's image.
I think you are a lot nearer the mark than Crappy and his Arab Moslem Racism.At the time of the troubles in Lebanon, the Christian Maronite poulation was over 50%. Many of these emmigrated to Australia among other places. Therefore these second generation Australians are more likely to be of Christian descent, and not Moslems.Jupiler said:From what I read about it, there are indeed real problems down there with youth gangs of (second generation) Lebanese-Aussies these last years. This incident with the life-guards was just the last straw after a whole series of incidents: threats, intimidations, sexually harassing women... Aussies are very attached to their beachlife apparently and lifeguard are a symbol of that... I'm not condoning it but I know where it's coming from...
Also anti-Arab/Muslim sentiments have been very high since 9/11 and the Bali bombing (like in many other western countries), also in the media and politics, which didn't help either.
Anyhow I don't think the Aussies are any more racist than us Europeans so I'm not going to point fingers. This could happen here too...
How did the Jews get into this discussion again?
darkboong said:**** off with your distractions, grow some balls. I'm talking to you Crappy, if I wanted to ask Lim that I would have asked him.
You still have to explain to us why you misquoted your sources in order to pin the blame on Middle Eastern Immigrants. You still haven't explained why you did that with the Paris riots either and that precedes Lim's (blatantly wrong) comment by a country mile..
That is only true if you ignore the agro that has been going on between the Police and the Aborigines.
I notice that you didn't bother to register your outrage when the initial violence against the Muslim communities occurred. In fact you only bothered to comment when the backlash happened, and your contribution was to claim Middle Eastern immigrants started it... The identity of those particular and origin of those lifeguard attackers has not yet been determined, and YET AGAIN you pin the blame on Middle Eastern Immigrants...
You have made these same claims for a total of 5 incidents now, and you have been wrong every damn time and you have not apologised or acknowledged that you were wrong once. There is a clear pattern here, you hate Arabs and you are trying to pin the blame for every outrage on them.
mocka58 said:It's not a matter of being racist, it's a matter of fact. There has been a problem with gangs of youths of Lebanese descent in Sydney for nearly 20 years and for all that time politicians and the police have been too timid to do anything about it for fear of being labelled racists. These gangs are native born Aussies but there are plenty of 'Middle Eastern immigrants' among them too. They are violent, aggresive, swaggering, racist neanderthals who have no respect for anyone or anything. Gangs of up to 70 or 80 men have been known to pick on lone people just because they are white Aussies or "skips" as they call them.
What happened at Cronulla on Sunday was wrong but police and politicians weren't doing anything about thes thugs monstering people on Cronulla beach so the racist underbelly of Australian society reared it's ugly heas and as a result this **** has been happening. I don't know where we go from here because unless the muslim community leaders take some responsibility the next generation of young muslims are just going to produce plenty more boneheads like this.
Wrong again as usual. It was a gang of whites who attacked two men on a train, when they thought that the train was full 'Mediterranian types'? in an unjustified attack. The Med types have responded in similar fashion, so it's only *** for tat.Carrera said:That's my angle. I've never had any problem with the polite, well-educated immigrants who come here from the Middle East. But then I ask myself who are these other individuals coming in you see spitting on the street with an attitude?
Do-gooders keep stressing all of these people are paragons of virtue but it isn't the case. Some of them are here doing a good job and living peacefully. But others are a pain in the proverbial ass.
Who do I really blame? Basically the white liberals and politicians not the immigrants. Some of the immigrants take liberties because they know they can play to the gallery and shout "racism!" There is weakness that can be exploited to the full, I suppose.
If the powers that be are going to be weak-willed and terrified of being branded racist, these troublemakers will trample them down.
What really pisses off my girlfriend, though, is the fact that if a girl turns up from the west and visits any of these countries in hot pants and a vest, it's bugger political correctness. She'll more than likely be stoned by a mob or arrested.
So, people are getting annoyed by double standards and one set of rules applied to only one party.
FredC said:Wrong again as usual. It was a gang of whites who attacked two men on a train, when they thought that the train was full 'Mediterranian types'? in an unjustified attack. The Med types have responded in similar fashion, so it's only *** for tat.
That should be a Policing issue surely. We have something here called EGT. That stands for Evidence Gathering Team, they use hand held video cams, and just record whatever they choose.mocka58 said:Three volunteer lifeguards were told by a Lebenese gang that it was their beach and the lifesavers were not welcome. When they didn't leave they were bashed. One of then was 15 years old. It's something that's been happening regularly and the locals were fed up with up with it and that led to the ugly scenes on Sunday. The behaviour of the ethnic gangs in response is nothing unusual I can assure you. No one's defending the thugs who carried on the way they did on Sunday but why you would defend criminal gangs who run rampage in response is completely beyond me.