Originally posted by lumpy
Dogs do what their instincts tell them. I think what's stupid is knowing that dog will be there and not avoiding him or using the law to deal with it. Memphman never had a problem with the dog 'cause he is fast, but after his friend got bit he goes a huntin the next day with a H20 bottle full of bleach for revenge. That's %$#@ sick man. Out here in the rest of the world we have something called "Animal Control" - ya know like the pound? You call it in and they deal with the dog and the owner.
I agree the owners are at fault but why do you take such pleasure in what you did to the dog? #@$@ sick man.
Tim
Go back and read carefully what Memphman said, all questions and answers wrt this incident. I see no indication he got any pleasure from this act. Sure he says the ride was more pleasurable, but that's because he no longer had a dog trying to attack anymore, not because he derived pleasure out of fighting it off with the bleach. I am a detached observer here. I think you're reading something into this that isn't there. I don't like killing animals either, but you are jumping to conclusions that are not warranted.
Consider that people have the right to ride peacefully down a public street and to protect themselves against vicious dogs that are not penned up. Sure, he could have called animal control and reported a dog problem, but he probably would have still had to make sure that the catchers really followed through with it and cured the problem. This takes time and effort. It's more the responsibility of the neighbors to report such a public nuisance, not a rider riding by who doesn't even have time to look at the address before he calls in the complaint. He would still need to be prepared to deal with it the next day, just in case the dog was still there.
I had a similar problem last summer with two dogs (a german shepard mix and rottweiler mix) that two girls would walk with leashes in their hands but not clipped to the dogs at about the same time as I went to work. I would go through this area which was a school ground bordered by a large field. There they would be as I turned the corner.
I have had much experience with dogs because I used to deliver circulars with the Newspaper bag front and back hanging from the shoulder setup. I used to do this on foot, about a 6 mile walk. I know how to deal with an attacking animal, and I can put terror into them like even I find hard to believe. I think they sense that I must be a little bit crazy, and they back off. I surprise myself with my ferocity, but it's usually a bluff on my part. One thing I could do (but haven't because they believe my bluff), and have heard will work if you are a good punter and your life is being threatened, is to time it perfectly on foot, and kick the dog's head right under the chin. Even a pit bull, if you're a good kicker, will die instantly with a broken neck.
But in this particular instance above, the dogs charged me from the field, and I stood my ground, feet on each side of the bike. They don't like to see you stand and face them, especially if you give them a good snarl. Believe me, the adrenalin pump will make you very convincing, and the psychology is that you are on the attack, that you are not afraid of them and that they are falling into your trap, not the other way around. In this case, the dogs ran away, but I noticed they were watching for me to turn my back. I got on my bike and kept looking at them. I wanted them to realize that I wasn't going to let them just eat me up. They were going to have to take whatever I could dish out to them. I didn't have any weopons. If it got right down to it and they attacked me. I'd try the head maneuver. Also a strong kick in the gut right by the back legs if you can't get the other angle on the head.
After that close call, I began to carry my bear spray (cayenne pepper base: range 40 ft). I tired of carrying that after about a month, however. Then they bothered me again when I quit carrying it: Murphy's law. The last time, I told the girls I would call the police, that they were supposed to be leashing the dogs at all times in public.
But this was an empty bluff too because the police would want to know where the dog owners live, and I couldn't really hang around to find out which house they go to. Otherwise the police would do a drive through the neighborhood, see no dogs, and then drive on.
Sure it sounds like it would be easy to respond in the way you describe, but the devil is in the details. What you're suggesting amounts to bending over backwards to save the owner's property (the dogs) when they refuse to follow the law. You may feel that dogs are man's best friend, and that they deserve to be accorded human rights under the law, but the law doesn't work that way. They are treated like articles of property. I'm speaking about America. I doubt that it differs much in other countries either. So when you say that Memphman is being sick to protect himself in that manner, I don't see that he has broken any laws. I wonder how you would feel if a little 4 year old kid happened to be running by and got killed by that same dog. Maybe it would have. I have heard so many accounts of dogs attacking little kids, disfiguring them for life or sometimes killing them. I don't feel any irrational remorse for such creatures that are clearly a public risk. The owner is at fault, for sure. Don't blame the rider.